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Women are getting more beautiful

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For the female half of the population, it may bring a satisfied smile. Scientists have found that evolution is driving women to become ever more beautiful, while men remain as aesthetically unappealing as their caveman ancestors.

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{"commentId":8461192,"authorDomain":"maddad0467"}
The researchers have found beautiful women have more children than their plainer counterparts and that a higher proportion of those children are female. Those daughters, once adult, also tend to be attractive and so repeat the pattern.
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Reply#1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:32 AM EDT
{"commentId":8461527,"authorDomain":"usfreestar"}
Women are getting more beautiful

Absolutely! It is very appealing to walk the streets of the Big Apple every day...:)

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#1.1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:03 AM EDT
{"commentId":8461781,"authorDomain":"steelerdog"}

Not here in Baltimore.

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#1.2 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
{"commentId":8462401,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

This is such a specious bunch of research. Talk about superficially pleasing! *bleagh!* I'd take a homely-looking, interesting man who has something to say over a dumb pretty boy any day...

Pass the Pepto.

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#1.3 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:03 AM EDT
{"commentId":8462406,"authorDomain":"sgsteitler"}

Seen my share of meth mouthed tramps in Tampa!

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#1.4 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:03 AM EDT
{"commentId":8462679,"authorDomain":"tempestnam"}
while men remain as aesthetically unappealing as their caveman ancestors.

Ah yes, the old double standard at work.

Plus, women are given lots of options to look artificially more beautiful.

In our defence, women seem to allow us to continue to be ugly cave dwellers. I see beautiful women all the time who seem to have selected one of our evolutionary ancestors who got whacked with an ugly trunk (not just the stick). And then strikingly, that cro-magnon is also unsuccessful (shock!) but she seems to like him because he's funny.

If you're willing to accept any ol guy, (and trust me, the most unappealing, mother basement living, hygiene phobic guy thinks he can land Megan Foc) then we can't be blamed.

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#1.5 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
{"commentId":8462759,"authorDomain":"tempestnam"}
Pass the Pepto.

Well, if you subscribe to the ladder theory this all comes down to our ability to provide. And sense we don't have to hunt like our ancestors the measure of provision these days is money.

A simple question is if you could have your current mate, or and identical mate who had more money, which would you take?

Wouldn't you rather have both an appealing mate (physically) and one who measures up intelligence wise?

Apparently us men have simpler measurements. In the short term, we are willing to accept near on anything so long as you're beautiful. But on behalf of our gender, they do seem to "get it" once we realize that something beyond this is needed to sustain a partnership.

I'm always fascinated by our psychological differences in sizing up relationships.

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#1.6 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:29 AM EDT
{"commentId":8463133,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

Nicey: I dated a far homelier looking guy than my now husband just prior to meeting the man I married. We dated for 2 years, and the one thing I loved about him was how normal he was--so easy to have a conversation and to just enjoy simple things.

So, it's not all necessarily about being the best provider--it's about how you connect, too.

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#1.7 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:52 AM EDT
{"commentId":8463262,"authorDomain":"tempestnam"}
So, it's not all necessarily about being the best provider--it's about how you connect, too.

But in your view, you upgraded? If we may call it that?

I'm fascinated by this because Men and Womens minds work remarkably different. Especially in defining relationships.

Studies have shown men are very physically focused. We mark our success if we are dating. If we are doing great in everyway, but do not have a mate, we believe we have failed. This continues into a relationship as physical closeness is a measure in our mind of validation.

QED: If you like us enough to get physical, we must be worthwhile to you, because certainly the fairer sex would not make such an intimate transaction if they did not believe us of value.

In the same study, womens minds showed that if they had a relationship, but were not personally successful, they had not accomplished much. Without education, personal goals fulfilled, job success, etc they were not as happy. By extension, looks or physical intamacy are not markers of value in a womans mind, but the goals women have are - so men who have those things achieve appeal.

Again, that's just a study I read. But it makes sense to me.

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    #1.8 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:00 AM EDT
    {"commentId":8463371,"authorDomain":"tempestnam"}

    I just find it fascinating on a personal note.

    When I was younger, my first real relationship was very serious. Almost to marriage. As it turns out, it would have been a disaster and fortunately we were only engaged.

    Since that time I have had serious relationships, and not serious. But none as close as that one to a permanent coupling. Lately, I've been in a string of very temporary ones. Even though, that's not what I want. It still seems to occur.

    Over the last year I've probably "dated" 20 girls. I've not given up, but I've started to take serious notes (Hope that isn't crazy, but I'm breaking this down, hey I have a scientific mind, leave me alone).

    It's pretty much a list of questions, but also in categories, occurrence, etc. Trying to find important markers, but also things like, "What was the biggest lie they told me?", "What was the biggest lie I told?", "What did they say was most important?", "What turned out to be most important?"

    Things like this. My results are interesting. I certainly don't view women as a one fits all. But it also changed a lot of assumptions I had from being young. (I didn't date till I was 23, so my experience is very new to me still)

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      #1.9 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:07 AM EDT
      {"commentId":8463737,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

      I wouldn't say I "upgraded" inasmuch as I found someone whom I am far more compatible with... Does that answer the question? ;)

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      #1.10 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:31 AM EDT
      {"commentId":8464583,"authorDomain":"tempestnam"}
      I wouldn't say I "upgraded" inasmuch as I found someone whom I am far more compatible with... Does that answer the question? ;)

      As in, you found a car with more features, and it also looked better...;)

      Hey, I'm just trying to find someone that what they say and do matches. Or at least that what they say they want actually matches what they, in fact, want.

      "So by humor is the most important thing to me, you meant, humor along with money, being in peak physical shape, and dresses like he's at the whitehouse dinner everynight...ahhh!" - I'm paraphrasing, but I'm tired of models who try to sell me this line. And they all do, at one point or another.

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        #1.11 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:16 PM EDT
        {"commentId":8465101,"authorDomain":"kshark"}
        Women are getting more beautiful

        And plastic surgeons are getting more rich.

        Well this is new and odd information about my gender.

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        #1.12 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:42 PM EDT
        {"commentId":8465324,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

        I would say it was a lateral move in terms of looks. Both my ex and my husband (whom by most measurements would be considered very good-looking) are on an even-keel, looks-wise. And I always thought my first boyfriend was far homelier, but they have similar characteristics, so, in a way, a very lateral move for me. My husband and I agree on a lot of things, philosophically speaking, which was not the case with my ex. He pretty much expected something that I wasn't--a very submissive, attentive woman. I am attentive, but on the submissive end? Oh no.

        Which may explain why his girlfriends since that time (excluding his ex-wife) have all been of Asian/Filipino descent. They live to make a man happy. I expect my husband to account for much of his happiness (which is why my dear husband both loves and loathes golf =).

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        #1.13 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:53 PM EDT
        {"commentId":8465435,"authorDomain":"sevenwishes35"}

        Selective breeding does wonders for the level of attractiveness of the human species. Of course I have seen some beautiful young women come from butt-ugly parents!

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        #1.14 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:58 PM EDT
        {"commentId":8466213,"authorDomain":"tempestnam"}
        Of course I have seen some beautiful young women come from butt-ugly parents!

        You apparently haven't waited long enough.

        Ever seen "The Heartbreak Kid?"

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        #1.15 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":8463411,"authorDomain":"sonnetizer"}

        By what standard is "beauty" measured in this study? Though there is research indicating that waist-to-hip proportions in women as indicative of attractiveness are cross-cultural, how is it possible to separate attractiveness from dress, grooming, accessorizing, etc. as these things change year to year, if not season to season.

        In teens and 20-somethings, tattoos and piercings are considered attractive, to this 50-something they are repulsive. (As repulsive as my parents found long hair on men to be.) Prior to the hippie era, which tended to blur sexual distinctions, the 50s trumpeted angular men and buxom women. And so on back thru skinny flappers and corsetted and bustled Victorians, etc to the dawn of fashion. How are these rapidly-changing standards of attractiveness classified?

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          Reply#2 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:10 AM EDT
          {"commentId":8463642,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

          Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all? "It ain't you, babe." Seven years more bad luck, new mirror to talk to tomorrow.

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          Reply#3 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:24 AM EDT
          {"commentId":8463833,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

          Penni, I love your take!! *LOL*

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          #3.1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:37 AM EDT
          {"commentId":8466993,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}

          haha, that's funny PenniD. got a good smile outta me =}

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          #3.2 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
          {"commentId":8468553,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

          Glad to spread the smiles around.

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          #3.3 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":8464001,"authorDomain":"friggykeith"}

          Are we equating size to beauty here ?

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            Reply#4 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:47 AM EDT
            {"commentId":8464770,"authorDomain":"dianepao"}

            What is the standard of beauty these researchers are measuring? Doesn't it stand to reason we will start to become uglier now that women are changing appearance surgically?

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            Reply#5 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
            {"commentId":8465270,"authorDomain":"dvrotolo"}

            I am ...and have always been a beautiful woman...I am buxom and terrific in many ways...but I am a pain in the ayss....I talk too much...and I am sharp and current and too knowledgable...multi talented....and a firey challenge to any man.....but men will forgive me anything......I wont go into why. I am not really sure I know why men adore me.

            I am in a time warp ..I am old ..in years and young in every other way.......I don't even have a facial wrinkle...and am never taken for my actual age....Young men write to me ...men my age are afraid of me...I don't want to a cougar...and I dont want to be alone. What to do????...Beauty is a trap.......When I was young I was a cross between a young Liz Taylor and Eva Gardner......I could always have whoever I wanted ...and mostly did....I still can I suppose...but I am too embarrassed to be with men my sons age....but thats the age that wants me.....I could want a man 10/15 years younger...but no less...my doc says that is perfect....but I am not letting that happen......I feel like it is setting them up for failure.....my sons say..I will out live eveyone....my daughters say...you go mom......

            I am a freak. Beauty is a huge problem...and no fun.....money is too....I was so crushed as teen when I wanted to share details my lovely prom dress being made for me...when the girls were talking about theirs..and one turned to me and said....Oh we know you will have one...Miss Galaxy....I cried for a week.......hurt is hurt ...no matter where it comes from or why...but if you are a beauty it isnt supposed to ....you are supposed to be iron clad......not feel things..and just be happy. I asked a man recently why he was so shy of me...and he said what difference does it make...you will find another in a minute.....that is so not true.He broke my heart. I am afraid to look.I can't lie about my age...and if I tell the truth....see ya!

            Oh yes ...and there is the assumption that I am all about sex....totally not true. It is huge ........but only in love..... Beauty is a curse....be careful what you ask for.......you might just get it. I like Newsvine because I am not seen and I am just words.........gutsy, punchy, words and I have as much fun as I can alone....if I dont think about it...

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            Reply#6 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:50 PM EDT
            {"commentId":8467236,"authorDomain":"tempestnam"}
            Beauty is a curse

            Is this Haiku?

            I'm going to disagree. Beautiful women have fairly pleasant lives. Especially in America, where we focus on physical beauty all day long.

            The only curse is having to deal with unpleasant men who think they can get you despite having no appeal. But with practice beautiful women learn how to control that with minimal time lost.

            The "you're such a good friend" line...

            I deal with vendors and suppliers a lot, I'm sure it's just chance that almost all the sales women are highly paid, beautiful, and "ample volume up top" to quote my buddy yawn.

            I used to work for a huge corporation, so all I ever saw was nerdy, white, male engineers all day long. Now with talking to vendors and suppliers. I've never seen so many women "packing heat" in proportion to the total popluation of females I see.

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              #6.1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:20 PM EDT
              {"commentId":8468098,"authorDomain":"rus-peterson"}

              ...and very modest as well!

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              #6.2 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":8465562,"authorDomain":"frankofthenorth"}

              I don't know about every man, but for me a woman has to have some physical strength, wit, an easygoing personality, a sex drive that doesn't mind a daily, a great smile, hips at least as wide as her shoulders... and for bonus points at least 3-inches of fat around her middle and backside, as well as ample volume up top. Picky? Perhaps. If we are talking physicality, she truly must be built to last!

              Or is it that the woman I have found, who has the great personality and hips I was originally going for, happens to have all those other traits and due to the bonding we have done, my image of a perfect woman is attuned to her form?

              Trust me, gents, you can't go wrong with a lady with a great personality. And if she should have some attributes that point toward longevity, so much the better!

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              Reply#7 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:05 PM EDT
              {"commentId":8466106,"authorDomain":"dvrotolo"}

              Isn't that is so sweet? I am so happy for you two....good luck! Good fortune too! That is the way it should be!

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              Reply#8 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
              {"commentId":8466942,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
              Women are getting more beautiful

              I totally agree with that. My daughter is now the most beautiful girl in the world. She just did beat her mother out of 1st place

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              Reply#9 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT
              {"commentId":8467124,"authorDomain":"maddad0467"}

              agreed...i tell my 3 yr old daughter that she is the most beautiful girl in the world, she doesn't need much reminding anymore.

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              #9.1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:13 PM EDT
              {"commentId":8468713,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
              she doesn't need much reminding anymore.

              Not mine, i still have to tell her at least a dozen times a day before she's satisfied. I should've just let her figure it out on her own =}

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              #9.2 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":8470082,"authorDomain":"dvrotolo"}

              If women say they are beautiful it is treated as if they somehow did the wrong thing. If we say we are ugly...then of course we get the ohhh no you are not thing...which I refuse to do...it is fishing for compliments ...not stating facts.......it is phony .

              I can tell you this men do not make life difficult ...other women do...they hate it if you have a good figure, and clothes, and hair is beautiful...nails are taken care of.....

              Women are very cruel to each other at times....If you have a good friend or two it doesnt matter what they say at work...or when you are at a party.......

              When Bill died at age 47 of cancer...I was totally destroyed...and one of the men asked me if I f'd him to death....cute ???????

              The women asked if he left me a lot of insurance money...and cash.......

              I applied for and worked very hard to get my first job doing out patient counseling.......and I was invited to a luncheon.... a fat ugly man was giving a toast...and said....Take your clothes off honey and show us how you got the job....He was fired at once .....Dr Wilson and Dr Carol Wilcox fied that jerk....

              I had my paycheck held in one situation and the supervisor said we had to go and get my check ...in another city after 5:00 pm...my then boyfriend said Ohh no you dont ...he was a successful business man...I had 4 kids it was week before Christmas their gifts were all on lay away........so Graham called him...and the supervisor reached into the drawer and handed me my check.......

              You can say you are smart..or educated , and talented ...but dont ever describe your self beautiful....as you have heard yourself called all of your life by well meaning family ....because man you get slammed real fast.....by women.

              Most men are absolutely delightful, respectful, romantic, generous ,kind, loving, and really great people.

              Men dont know this ...but I will tell ....women are very jeaous and greedy about a man in the room...he is supposed to focus on them...each thinks this if they are insecure.....they will actually fight for him.......rip your clothes...hide things from you....make it tough to do your job.......

              Men never understand what a precious asset they are to women......if not for money or attention it is for ego. Naturally men go toward the ones who attract them most...and often there are some real unattractive women who will be very upset. Most men can have the girl of their dreams if they will be romantic and faithful...and pay the bills...or half. It is pretty simple.

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              Reply#10 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT
              {"commentId":8470303,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

              Ugh, what a horrible experience at that luncheon! (But what an ending--being fired on the spot! Now, that's what I call classy!!)

              You know, that whole check situation? I would've had a number for someone in HR at the handy--and I would've called 9-1-1 too. What a jerk!!

              And don't get me wrong--women are vicious against one another. They really and truly are... It's sad, really.

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              #10.1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:25 PM EDT
              {"commentId":8473627,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

              Thankfully, not all of us, Lkessler. Just the insecure ones. Most of us especially when we reach a "certain age," realize their is no point to all this competition. Who cares if you look better than me? On the Vine, we are all equal, and our true souls show. My photo could be of anyone. I might be anything you can imagine, for example. Again, who cares? I don't pick my friends or lovers on the basis of looks. To me, that is the least important thing in the world.

              I like to hang around people who have something to say, even if it is just picking on our men. We don't have to pretend to be intellectual giants or beauty queens. I could care less if one of my friends gets a better car than I do. She's my friend, and I am really happy for her. I may not be pick of the litter, but I sure like to pick my friends.

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              #10.2 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:17 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":8473852,"authorDomain":"lwjones72"}

              Zanyzazu: How hard it must have been for you to lose your husband when he was only 47. I hope someone was around to put the insensitive jerk who made that boorish remark in his place. I know I am one of those who stare at people like you; I can't help it. I can say I am admiring your beauty, as I am very much in love with my wife. We will celebrate 36 years of marriage next month. May life smile on you from this day forward.

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                Reply#11 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT
                {"commentId":8479917,"authorDomain":"zugbah"}

                It reminded me when facing myself on the mirror to get all the tucks; lip tuck, breast tuck, bottom tuck, hymenorraphy,breast augmenation, skin color change to dark brown,dye hair,cleft nose & chin etc & etc. I hope they are not talking about me! JOKE ONLY !

                But it's really inspiring to have more children if you see one produced that is beautiful; STOP, if not. But Charles Darwin's theory doesn't apply to this from a monkey to upright humans. We evolve in a sense that we mix with other genes producing a beautiful one but there are also some beautiful parents that really produces ugly child, so its better to be in the middle. Also, mixing with other races can produce a beautiful tan! Don't you think?

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                Reply#12 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:38 AM EDT
                {"commentId":8481037,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

                Can you really change your skin color? I am white-white and would love to have a warm skin color. I sort of picture myself as a Caribbean type, but the reality is more Scandinavian. That would be so fine, if I could afford it and it's possible, I would do it immediately.

                If we could all become sort of a golden brown, then we could hate each other because of something else. LOL

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                #12.1 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:19 AM EDT
                {"commentId":8501510,"authorDomain":"zugbah"}

                If they can turn black skin into white, why not the opposite? Golden brown would be magistically marvelous. I love that!

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                #12.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:30 AM EDT
                {"commentId":8502714,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
                If they can turn black skin into white, why not the opposite?

                It's called tanning

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                  #12.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:54 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":8518948,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

                  Some people simply do not tan. Most red heads don't tan well, and the only tan I have ever gotten was from a bottle, and I was orange, not golden brown. I have tried tanning, but I only get sunburned and my skin peels. Wish they'd develop those golden brown pills...

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                  #12.4 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:04 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":8522065,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

                  <--another gal who cannot tan. My skin isn't made for it.

                  I've developed some color over the years, but I'm still not a person who can tan. I burn. And it's painful, so I avoid it. :G

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                  #12.5 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:48 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":8528569,"authorDomain":"karrygarza"}

                  I change colors in the summer, mostly different shades of red. The last tan I got was from a tanning bed and that was like 7 years ago. I now try to avoid the sun in the middle of the day. My kids on the other hand are out one day and they have a noticable darker color, all thanks to daddy.

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                  #12.6 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:45 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":8528661,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

                  Garza: good genes go a long way! *sigh*

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                  #12.7 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:50 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":8529018,"authorDomain":"karrygarza"}

                  I know and mine are pasty white.

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                  #12.8 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:09 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":8532251,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

                  Oh my gosh! My brain went totally to the gutter!!!

                  Your genes are pasty white!! Of course! *thought your pasties are white? what!?*

                  *smacks self on forehead and promises to never let her besties' thoughts invade her head.*

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                  #12.9 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:23 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":8533027,"authorDomain":"karrygarza"}

                  HAHA, I don't blame you. Sometimes people at work say something really innocent and my brain goes right to the gutter. Then I have to try and not laugh in front of them so I won't have to explain myself.

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                  #12.10 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:52 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":8542301,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

                  The only gutter I am familiar with is "gutter ball." Went bowling last night, had almost perfect score -- didn't knock anything over, being so neat.

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                  #12.11 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":8546965,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

                  Penni: you are a great source of pride for me--I'm an awful bowler, too... The perfect score being 0.

                  However, I try to get better every day... I'm not terribly successful, but I try.

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                  #12.12 - Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:48 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":8497844,"authorDomain":"hampsterhero"}

                  haha since when did fat become more beautiful?

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                    Reply#13 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:05 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":8522089,"authorDomain":"pennytool"}

                    hello Hamsterhero, welcome to Newsvine. Beauty is with-in the eye of the beholder. I am an old and senile woman, if someone says it is getting more beautiful,SMILE thats better wahoo! I am not gonna argue, grinns .

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                      #13.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:49 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":8504974,"authorDomain":"MushroomX"}
                      Scientists have found that evolution is driving women to become ever more beautiful, while men remain as aesthetically unappealing as their caveman ancestors.

                      So let me get this straight, evolution is making women to become more beautiful yet the only way for these women to be born in the first place, is for conception with a man that is quote "unappealing".

                      Also do Scientists know of a thing called, "Photoshop"?

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                      Reply#14 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:28 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":8521915,"authorDomain":"pennytool"}

                      puts on my flower bonnet and waltzes around the room singing

                      " I'm so pretty, so pretty, so pretty "

                      smiles

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                      Reply#15 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:39 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":8522093,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

                      Oh, let's just go WSS with this one, shall we Stars?

                      I feel pretty,
                      Oh, so pretty,
                      I feel pretty and witty and bright!
                      And I pity
                      Any girl who isn't me tonight.

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                      #15.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:50 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":8524762,"authorDomain":"pennytool"}

                      lol ,so funny ,smiles

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                        #15.2 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:10 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":8526141,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

                        I had to do it, sorry:

                        I feel dumpy,
                        Oh, so dumpy,
                        I feel dumpy, but witty and bright!
                        And I pity
                        Any girl who is me tonight.

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                        #15.3 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:22 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":8528720,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

                        Aww, Penni! All we need to do is get you to the Spa--or at least the nearest nail place--a good mani/pedi cures much dumpiness... :D

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                        #15.4 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:53 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":8530936,"authorDomain":"pennytool"}

                        got to laugh with it all ,it just makes you feel better ,smiles everyone have a great day .

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                        #15.5 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:34 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":8532298,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

                        Star: gotta check out my response to Garza above--regarding her genes...

                        I tell ya, I'm having a day... (I must still be not quite as rested as I thought!)

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                        #15.6 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:24 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":8532641,"authorDomain":"pennytool"}

                        lkessler, Why?

                        and

                        I do hope you get to feeling better. I turn many shades of red and pink in the summer too than I peel skin like a lizard . The summer heat here has been keeping me down I think .

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                        #15.7 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":8529353,"authorDomain":"dollyrocker98"}

                        AFter 28 years of marriage and 3 kids I realize I'm no longer quite the "hot chick" I was several years ago. I'm just glad I married a wonderful man who knew there were things more important then just good looks.

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                        Reply#16 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:27 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":8529846,"authorDomain":"dianepao"}

                        Time to start a new seed on tanning methods.

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                        Reply#17 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":8542325,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

                        Iodine and olive oil? We used this when I was a kid in Europe.

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                        #17.1 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:23 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":8542593,"authorDomain":"dianepao"}

                        PenniD

                        How about a spray tan. They can spray on fake abs too. lol

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                        #17.2 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:38 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":8543677,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

                        Maybe I'll just use photoshop, like the stars do. LOL Of course, I could never be see in person again, wouldn't want to spoil the illusion. Since I can't see myself, I could throw out all the mirrors, and post the photo of myself with a golden tan and some fine abs where the bathroom mirror was.

                        Thanks for the brainstorm...

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                        #17.3 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:42 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":8543912,"authorDomain":"dianepao"}

                        Now yours is the brainstorm. I'll join you lol

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                        #17.4 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:59 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":8546969,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

                        I want to be photoshopped into a total babe... :) At least I can live vicariously through photoshop. I couldn't do plastic surgery... *lol!*

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                        #17.5 - Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:49 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":8551179,"authorDomain":"pennid"}

                        Lkessler, I'm with you on the no to plastic surgery. We could end up looking even worse (many do). Also, I can't afford it and refuse to inflict pain on myself for anything other than life or death operations.

                        Beauty is in the eye of the beholder any way, just find a beholder who is very near sighted and you got it made. LOL

                        Being extremely near sighted myself, and too vain to wear my glasses when I was younger, I found some wonderful men by learning about their personalities before I actually saw them (no joke). I still like to spend my first visit with people without my glasses (not for vanity any more), but because everyone is beautiful to me when I see in soft focus. After I get to know them, some are still beautiful because I admire them or find something really wonderful in them. After we get to know people, we don't worry about their looks any more.

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                        #17.6 - Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
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                        {"commentId":8721478,"authorDomain":"a-johnston"}

                        I'm a man who may not be overly handsome but my genes have endowed me with other characteristics that more than compensate for it. I've always had a very lithe and athletic physique and I've always been healthy and fit (touch wood)- even at 43 I can still do 60 push ups and I have very little body fat. To hell with good looks- if you've not got your health you won't have any quality of life. Evolution might be making women more beautiful but if it isn't making them healthier, which clearly it isn't giving the rising rates of obesity, I'd say mother nature was giving them a raw deal.

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                          Reply#18 - Sun Aug 9, 2009 11:05 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":8721597,"authorDomain":"lkessler41"}

                          Well said! (now, about the push ups--must I really? =)

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                          #18.1 - Sun Aug 9, 2009 11:15 AM EDT
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