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Tough love 'is good for children'

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Children brought up according to "tough love" principles are more successful in life, according to a study.

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The think tank Demos says a balance of warmth and discipline improved social skills more than an laissez-faire, authoritarian or disengaged upbringing.

It says children age five with "tough love" parents were twice as likely to show good character capabilities.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 8:30 AM EST
{"commentId":10556213,"authorDomain":"kshark"}

I was going to say the balance was probably the best way to go, in my opinion. But ya beat me to it.

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  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 8:58 AM EST
{"commentId":10561570,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

Yep, both of ya said what I wanted to say. Balance is the key imo.

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  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 2:51 PM EST
{"commentId":10569525,"authorDomain":"tiff269"}

Agreed! Balance is essential! "Tough Love" is a good thing, within reason. I think it's normal for every parent to want their children to have better than they did as kids. I know my parents wanted that for me, and I'll want that for my children too. I think where this has gotten us into some trouble is we don't make our children earn such things. Children should have what they need, of course, but above & beyond that....the Playstation, or horse riding lessons, dance, piano, whatever extras kids want....should be earned. Good grades, doing chores around the house, helping the younger siblings, cleaning your room, etc. I didn't get allowance, I was expected to contribute to the family household but was rewarded with "extras" when it was affordable. Positive reinforcement goes a long way. Nobody gets something for nothing, not in the real world. It's important to teach our kids nobody is entitled to everything they want just because they want it.

Good seed Maddad!

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#1.3 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:49 AM EST
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{"commentId":10557342,"authorDomain":"jameseg"}

Nice seed, maddad!

I agree with the study's results. It seems to be common sense and reinforces teachings such as those of child psychologist Dr. James C. Dobson.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 10:22 AM EST
{"commentId":10558086,"authorDomain":"armstrongdebra21"}

What results? How were the variables measured? How were variables defined? What does "tough love" mean? How about "good character"? Who decided what "good character" means for this study? According to whom?

Children age five with "tough love" parents were "twice as likely to show good character capabilities." Twice as likely? So, that could mean that if 3% of children aged five showed "bad" character capabilities then 6% showed good capabilities? Capability to do what? Obey? Think for themselves? Make decisions?

This report shows nothing that has not been known for decades. Studies in the 1960s showed that a balance of caring and fair discipline with a focus on self-discipline produced the same characteristics in kids.

Don't be so quick to select out a few findings from research that agree with you and use that to justify your preexisting notions. Demographic studies are quite shallow and, if they are sociologically based, generally produce results that, while statistically significant, are practically worthless.

I know. I'm a sociologist, with more than 20 years of reading and evaluating such studies. I'd like to see the full study, not a journalist's take on a few findings.

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    Reply#3 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 11:12 AM EST
    {"commentId":10562225,"authorDomain":"scatterboo"}

    Very good point Debi...who gets to decide what "tough love"...or character are...I think most people would really get the gist of what this means...Having two grown children and two grandchildren I believe it really has to do with not only tough love...but what that means to the nature of the child you are talking about...what worked for one of my children...did nothing to the other one in the sense of "punishment"....and also one of them was unconcerned about the consequences more often than the other...and this had less to do with their rearing...it is personality....and also..just from my point of view it helps for the parents to be consistent..and follow through...setting out the guidelines ahead of time...but even then I have noticed...with some personalities ...they have to learn things the hard way..

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    #3.1 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 3:41 PM EST
    {"commentId":10570159,"authorDomain":"jaker023"}

    I think what they mean by "tough love" is by allowing the pre-schooler to earn their toys or treats, as well as not giving into their demands or when they are crying/throwing a tantrum.

    for example, if you want to give your child a cookie, have them clean up their toys first, or spell a word. this encourages positive reinforcement, and gives the child a strong sense of accomplishment after they complete a simply task.

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    #3.2 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:40 AM EST
    {"commentId":10570755,"authorDomain":"kshark"}

    jaker023--

    At least you got it.

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    #3.3 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:45 AM EST
    {"commentId":10589969,"authorDomain":"screamingeagle-bct"}

    Debbie, I understand your statement that you would like to see the full study before agreeing or disagreeing, but this was just a news article. The author was relying on a generic understanding of "tough love" which has enough ambiguity to allow for the largest reader appreciation. I'm sure the study is more detailed.

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    #3.4 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:28 AM EST
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    {"commentId":10559910,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}

    You only have to give a child one spanking in his/her life, you just got to do it right the first time

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    • 6 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 1:04 PM EST
    {"commentId":10572696,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    I look at spankings differently than most of the people I've run into. I don't see them as a punishment but rather a way to get the child's attention. Here's what I mean: When you catch a kid doing something really bad like talking back or such a quick swat will get their attention and then you can give them their punishment.

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    • 5 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:49 AM EST
    {"commentId":10575999,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}

    I try not to punish my kids, but I am forced to on occasion and LOVE IT! Don't get me wrong, I'd rather not have to, but when they mess up, best believe I come out swinging like Mike Tyson. I try to overreact as much as possible, that way they are scared @!$%#less about doing it again =)

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    • 3 votes
    #4.2 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:22 PM EST
    {"commentId":10578472,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    ROFLMBO!!! I can almost picture that and the looks on the kids faces.

    I'm with ya on not wanting to, I hate having to do it but it goes with the job so I do the best I can to make a very lasting impression.

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    • 4 votes
    #4.3 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:11 PM EST
    {"commentId":10634436,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}

    I'm obviously having tracker problems or something, I haven't been getting some of my replies. Sorry for the delay frosty.

    I'm lucky to have such happy, healthy kids. The only reason they get in trouble is because they are spoiled and think they deserve everything. My daughter knows the perfect times to pitch a fit, usually around a bunch of good looking women. I'll say, "You want a spanking?", and she'll start sucking that bottom lip immediately and make me look bad.

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    #4.4 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:49 AM EST
    {"commentId":10638309,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    ROFL!! Yep she knows how to play ya alright. Mine like to try things like that but it usually comes back to get them in the end.

    No prob, my tracker's been sort of wonky as well. I just do the best I can with what they give us.

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    #4.5 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:48 AM EST
    {"commentId":10638657,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
    she knows how to play ya alright

    She's too much like her mother (which is a lot like the dark lord, Lucifer). I'm hoping to make her a daddy's girl by the age of 5

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    • 2 votes
    #4.6 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:01 PM EST
    {"commentId":10640569,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    sneaking off with her for ice cream is a sure fired way to do it :) I have 3 girls and did it with the first 2 already...just waiting for the 3rd to get a little older

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    • 2 votes
    #4.7 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:20 PM EST
    {"commentId":10646638,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
    sneaking off with her for ice cream

    You sure nailed her, she loves ice cream. I have to keep her a steady supply of that, and bubblegum. That's how I get her to do what I want her to do, it's her one true weakness.

    And I'll be sending you a friend request, hope it is well received

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      #4.8 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:48 PM EST
      {"commentId":10648041,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

      got it and accepted, warmly received. I think bubblegum is the weakness of all kids..LOL

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        #4.9 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:02 PM EST
        {"commentId":10654118,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
        I think bubblegum is the weakness of all kids

        My daughter, could probably chew up the newsvine monster =)

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          #4.10 - Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:35 AM EST
          {"commentId":10656768,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

          maybe we can get her hired on and she can go hunting ;)

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            #4.11 - Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:29 AM EST
            {"commentId":10657758,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}

            Sounds like money in the bank

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              #4.12 - Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:11 AM EST
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              {"commentId":10569785,"authorDomain":"SchlepnKiltsBrewing"}

              Tough love doesnt mean smacking the crap out of your kids, you are allowed however to discipline them and say no to them. There is a difference.

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              • 4 votes
              Reply#5 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:15 AM EST
              {"commentId":10572619,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

              sadly it seems a lot of people don't realize the difference. There are places where raising your voice to a child is now being considered abuse.

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              • 8 votes
              #5.1 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:46 AM EST
              {"commentId":10589066,"authorDomain":"kshark"}

              frostyone--

              It is as if you want to ask, what is the point of even having kids since obviously it would appears the parents are not even allowed to raise their own kids.

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              • 4 votes
              #5.2 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:29 AM EST
              {"commentId":10589128,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

              kshark, exactly! it's getting plain nuts out there. Really being a parent isn't all that hard but I guess we as a society are bound and determined to make it as hard as possible.

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              • 3 votes
              #5.3 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:39 AM EST
              {"commentId":10589984,"authorDomain":"screamingeagle-bct"}

              frosty,

              Really being a parent isn't all that hard...

              Its nice that you can say that. Really, I'm happy for you if that's the case. But my gosh, there is nothing in my life that is more challenging.

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              • 2 votes
              #5.4 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:34 AM EST
              {"commentId":10592296,"authorDomain":"kshark"}

              frostyone--

              LOL Parents should demand more money from the Government for having the kids they are raising, though the parents are providing the housing and food. So hey the Government needs to provide more money as they are THEIR kids after all, it seems.

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              • 2 votes
              #5.5 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:54 AM EST
              {"commentId":10593703,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

              screamingeagle, when I first started it was the hardest job I could imagine. I was hitting all the seminars and doing everything the "experts" suggested. It wasn't until after the 2nd kid that I figured out I was making it way to hard and raised my radar level a little bit. Now that being said, I have no idea what your own situation might be like so I wouldn't even think of giving advice to ya on it. Hopefully the challenges will smooth out for ya and not being overwhelming.

              Kshark, LOL...I wonder.....maybe that would work.

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              • 3 votes
              #5.6 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:59 AM EST
              {"commentId":10628456,"authorDomain":"screamingeagle-bct"}

              Didn't say, frosty, that it was overwhelming; just challenging. I don't want you to get the wrong idea. I don't bang my head against the wall every night as I cry myself to sleep, agonizing over all the ways my kids are making my life a long, drawn out living hell. ;^)

              No, I mean that with my kids there is the constant effort to practice patience, the constant division of attention required by having 4 little ones, and the awareness that the way in which I love, nurture and discipline my children will affect them and everyone they know for the rest of their lives. So, in short, there is nothing in my life for which I am more responsible than my children, ergo the challenge.

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                #5.7 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:59 PM EST
                {"commentId":10632411,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                Ahh...I've done the head banging thing a time or two. Oh so you have 4 as well? I can sympathise with ya on that one.

                See I was misunderstanding your use of the word challenge but now I understand better. I can tell ya that I learned to not pray for patience or strength because instead of just granting it He put things in my life (kids) that would make me learn both patience and strength. My goal is to have my kids become respectful, productive, happy adults.

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                • 2 votes
                #5.8 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:40 AM EST
                {"commentId":10632526,"authorDomain":"screamingeagle-bct"}

                That's the best we can hope for isn't it? Well, I certainly hope yours turn out to give you tears of joy when they grow up better people than you even hoped for. ;^)

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                  #5.9 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:56 AM EST
                  {"commentId":10632560,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                  Right back to ya screamingeagle, ;)

                  makes life worth livin don't it?

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                  • 1 vote
                  #5.10 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:59 AM EST
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                  {"commentId":10589997,"authorDomain":"dawnypawny"}

                  Hi maddad, Great article! Dispite the fact that one study does not tell all, it makes sense to use both tactics. Each child does need individual treatment according to their needs.

                  My mother was the kindest person I've ever known, but she also did all of the disciplining, as well. If my dad got involved, you did something really bad.

                  My mother never wanted to injure us. Therefore she used the end of a belt to slap the palm of our hand. Just the humiliation, and the fact that we had disappointed our mother, was enough to make us cry, when she said, "hold out your hand."

                  I raised three boys and was strict with them and made the mind. They knew the rules of the house, and when they did not abide by them, they were aware of the consequences.

                  The consequences varied according to the degree of the mistake they had made and their age. If you start teaching them when they are young, they will have no doubt about what you expect from them later on.

                  I always showed my children that I loved them, and was rewarded by their telling me as adults, all three, that I brought them up with morals and values. All three became my dearest friends while raising their own, collective 13 children.

                  My boys have a great deal of respect for me, and are similar in raising their children. My oldest grandchildren are grown or nearly grown and also care deeply for us and turned out to be great young people.

                  I think we learn parenting by example, and I am glad that I had the loving discipline that I had, and happy to see two more generations of children in our family becoming such decent people.

                  Unfortunately, those who had poor examples as parents, often do not understand a more compassionate way of parenting.

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                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#6 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:36 AM EST
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