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The Poor & Homeless Are Getting Screwed: Now Working People?

Mon Jun 7, 2010 3:42 PM EDT
politics, opinion, homeless, poor, activist, banned, maddad, charities, begging
By maddad
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I have my own key issue that drives me, but that doesn't mean I am not paying attention.

The St. Petersburg, Florida City Council has just stuck there foots in their mouths. They recently banned panhandling within the city limits, which includes all roadside collections & newspaper sales. They are claiming it is a "safety" issue.

Well.....plainly put..That is the biggest sack of crap I have seen since my days on the hog farm.

No one has ever but physically hurt in anyway. No accidents, no panhandlers run over by traffic. Nothing.

What do panhandlers have in common with charities & newspaper sales people? Nothing.

The real reason for this ordinace was to rid the city of the unattractive practice of begging. The 90 jobs that were lost selling the sunday edition of the newspaper & local charities were simply "friendly fire" incidents. They have dressed this up as a safety issue, but it is nothing but an attempt to sweep these people under the table. I guess moving them over the bridge into Tampa was worth the price.

I do not believe they are going to reverse themselves voluntarily. There is already a plan by a local activist to sell a homeless advocacy newspaper on a city corner next week. Good luck to them. I do not care who knocks this back. 90 jobs, even part-time in this economy is unacceptable, and the charities taking care of the poor & homeless are going to be less able to help.

Thanks St. Pete. now was not the time to polish your trophy.

Just My Opinion,

Maddad

refer: http://maddad0467.newsvine.com/_news/2010/06/07/4475080-citys-ban-on-panhandling-includes-sunday-newspaper-sales

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maddad

thanks for your time & comments. CoH

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 3:43 PM EDT
Anatoly-Rex

The United States more people imprisioned than Communist China. It has more than Stalinist Russia did during the height of the political oppression. How is it that states seeking to impose Police law and round up as many unwantables as possible manages to have less imprisioned than a State which supposedly based on Freedom?

We are illegalizing poverty in this country. We hate the "entitled" class that is the homeless and so we have quitely swept them under the rug that is our prison system, pushing them to the fringes of society and then chastizing them for not participating in it.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:10 PM EDT
GA GUY

Great Post maddad!

...and a great reminder to make my monthly Salvation Army / Chattanooga Food Kitchen donation runs...

Thanks for your HUMANITY!!

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:25 PM EDT
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Linda Luke

There is no doubt the "better than you" attitude is alive and well in St Pete. Or is this just the politicians disease that keeps them out of touch with the people that they really need to become. Simply makes me ashamed of politicians as their noses seem to be higher than most.

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:01 PM EDT
js-445607

Just about every city has its homeless and underemployed people. Those not participating in this horrific life condition are continually complaining about being "bothered" by the hungry and those without shelter. Even the most strapped "normal" person will dig into their possessions in hopes it will help another person. I have been quite discouraged by the lack of help state and federal government seems to put forth for these people. You hear the "deadbeat" chant a lot but for most "broken" is the most appropriate word usage. The lack of compassion for those left destitute in this economic crunch is disgusting. During the great depression people gathered round and helped those less fortunate now it seems like the attitude is "Get them out of my sight they are mucking up the landscape".

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 5:04 PM EDT
ebookout

How many people on here has been to St Pete. ? Until you have seen the problem with pan handling there than I don't think there is room to draw judgement. There is a big different with someone being poor and someone who is basically called the local drunk. My last stop in Atlanta down town showed the same problem.

Now to the ones who work , Make a place where they can do their thing . But on US19 the only thing thats going to happen is a few getting run over which is very common in this area.

    #2.2 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 5:24 PM EDT
    eriq samson

    And thus we demonstrate the FEAR, ignorance and HATE that is, in fact, the problem

    I just loce it when these same idiots claim to be "good, God fearing people" - read matthew 24

    "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was homeless and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

    "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you homeless and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick and care for you or in prison and go to visit you?'

    "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers, you did for me.'

    "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was homeless and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and you did not care for me, in prison and you did not visit me.'

    "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a homeless or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not aid you?'

    "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

    "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

    Personally I am an agnostic but these are nonetheless words to live by; Not like the HATE, FEAR and ignorance expressed above

    • 4 votes
    #2.3 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 7:44 PM EDT
    Linda Luke

    I remember long long ago, having a grandmother that would go to the back door and feed men that came to the door. Oh they didn't come in droves but there were quite a few for me to have the memory. Those days are lost and you are right ignorance dominates our world.

    • 4 votes
    #2.4 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:21 PM EDT
    Stu-4803409

    I think what we are seeing now will only get worse.

    Without much better job creation and wages the amount of people simply unable to make ends meet in today's economy will continue to grow. You can only hide so many peasants before there are more than not, I think it is only a matter of a few years away.

    Eriq, good quote and one of the reasons that I have very little respect for the so called religious right. Very few of them actually follow the principles that were cornerstone to christianity, most of them are far more like the conservatives that crucified Jesus in his day.

    • 3 votes
    #2.5 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:40 PM EDT
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    Andromeda-510639

    Very well put, and I fully agree with your opinons on this issue. City Council's have an innate tendency to put feet into mouth; natural insticts for elected officials I suppose. And I love the way these folks always have a tendency to cite safety, public interest and the public good, health reasons; when in reality it is to cover-up things like an unattractvive practice, ridding the city of "undesirables", or getting rid of those who don't look like them.

    Jobs are jobs, but again, these type of people don't really care about other people; they will continue live percevied versions of utopia.

    My question: Is the St. Petersburg, Florida City Council going to prevent the Salvation Army from collecting within city limits come Christmas?

    • 5 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:23 PM EDT
    Samoore4

    The ban is specifically for anyone who is panhandling or selling or taking donations on a street corner or the median..I don't think that the Salvation Army will be affected since they typically stand outside of stores. It will affect fireman collecting donations on "boot day" and those who stand on the street corners selling newspapers. The St. Petersburg Times have filed a lawsuit with the city of St. Pete.

    • 3 votes
    #3.1 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 8:06 PM EDT
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    ADad-1477522

    Most of the time; yet not *all* of the time; those that panhandle fall into one of two categories (at least from my perspective): 1) drug-addicted (that would include cigarettes), 2) disabled. From my perspective, this nation has become quite intolerant of people that r "different". Communities want to sweep them away so they don't have to 1) look at them, 2) be reminded that there r those "less fortunate" then themselves... Yet, they r human beings. We can't just put them "down", can we??? I mean they r a drain on "society"... Right???

    The most powerful quote that haunts me is from "A Christmas Carol", where Scrooge is quoted: "If he is to die, let him die and decrease the surplus population"

    • 2 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:39 PM EDT
    maddad

    My question: Is the St. Petersburg, Florida City Council going to prevent the Salvation Army from collecting within city limits come Christmas?

    good question, i will email the question to the city attorney tonight, unless you would rather...

    • 6 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:41 PM EDT
    Ozark Mountain Sage

    Man's inhumanity to man never ceases to amaze me. Move the homeless out of the city, out of sight out of mind. St. Petersburg......Bah,,,Hum Bug

    • 7 votes
    Reply#6 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
    TheyreAllCrooks

    Clearly this is Obama's fault...just like everything else is!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 5:04 PM EDT
    maddad

    this is about the st. pete city council and the issue of the ordinance they passed. topic. the administration has nothing to do with this. neither does bush or the war against terror. just in case anyone one wondering. thanks....

    • 8 votes
    #7.1 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 5:07 PM EDT
    js-445607

    A further crisis was caused in the early 1980s by the Reagan Administration's policies to reduce other federal human service program costs. A policy of accelerated reviews of individuals on the federal disability rolls left hundreds of thousands of people with mental illnesses without income as it exposed the inappropriateness of federal rules for assessing disability for this population.The Administration also slashed federal support of public housing. As low-income housing became less available, and income support evaporated almost overnight, a significant number of people with serious mental illnesses were left on the streets, representing at least a quarter of homeless individuals. With no money, nowhere to live and an underfunded mental health service system, many were in dire straits.

    When this new enactment was set in place many patients went without needed medications and shelter. It would seem that this type of game plan would be a violation of human rights but no one seems to mind those need psychiatric care going without until one offends them. I was living on Hawaii at the time this was going on and it was a debacle of the weirdest type. On the Mainland there were mentally ill patients killed by police due to their behaviors. Further hopelessness for the hopeless is criminal.

    • 3 votes
    #7.2 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 5:20 PM EDT
    eriq samson

    Mad - comment 7 was obviously sarcastic - some people just blame everything on Obama, especially things that were started / happened before he was elected!

    js - Reagan started this in California when he was Governor. I went to college in San Jose, the Local "institution" was closed by Reagan and these people ended up slowly drifting southeast along the main road into downtown San Jose

    One of the things that made me proud of humanity (around a college) - the nearest 24 hour breakfast place would chase these people out but the college student fast food places would let them sleep inside at night, wake them up in the morning with a breakfast sandwich and a cup of coffee and let them know that they could not be there during the day and weren't supposed to be there at night so please don't come back - they at least tried to be human

    This was back i the day when you could have a single student working graveyard by themselves and to their credit I can not recall one of these workers being fired for this by management. Different times, we were a different people then

    • 5 votes
    #7.3 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 7:56 PM EDT
    js-445607

    Great story, eriq. I lived on the island and many of the mentally challenged had children of normal intelligence and no one seemed to know what to do about this. I had one little boy in a behavior class that I was assigned to after 6 aides left. He was a handful but someone I could deal with so I was a good candidate. One of the things I did right away was have his mother and auntie come to school and help me with projects and such. As soon as he realized I held his mother and auntie in high esteem his behavior modified like magic. When he discovered his mother and auntie could help out and were good at the tasks I gave them it made a huge difference to him. It made me pretty mad that no one seemed to think that the developmentally challenged parent might be an embarrassment to a child. He also had a stepfather that was not a good disciplinarian and that was a strike against him also.

    People get so tied up in themselves they forget all about humanity and our obligation to give a helping hand.

    • 5 votes
    #7.4 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 8:05 PM EDT
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    Carolyn Johansen

    Over the last 2 years I have gotten to know a lot of homeless people because I frequent the free meal programs offered by the churches in the area. I lost my job 10/08. I know 2 fellows who share a camp site in the woods at the edge of town. In 2008 they both had mortgages and trucks full of tools. One can install any kind of floor you can imagine--tile, carpet, or wood and the other fellow was a painter. Both of them worked as independent contractors and were referred by Home Depot, Lowes and other shops in the area. As the economy tanked both of them lost their homes, their trucks and they sold their tools to eat. Now they take any job offered and their mode of transportation is a couple of beat up bikes.

    They are not counted as unemployed because they could not apply for unemployment benefits. They take any old job for any amount of money whenever they can get it. They are the new faces of homelessness in America.

    I have also met a college instructor in English--has a PHD and a published book. He is homeless and writing a book about homelessness. He lost his job about 3 years ago and his transportation is a bicycle too. I have met people from many different professions who are homeless.

    The number of homeless people is increasing at a dizzying rate. Homeless shelters are full. Local governments try to sweep the homeless under the rug by banning panhandling and by issuing tickets for public intoxication. Here is the funny part--some of those guys they arrest for being publicly intoxicated have not even had a drink. There is no provision in the law that requires the local police to prove they have imbibed an alcoholic beverage. So they can arrest perfectly sober homeless people just for sitting on a park bench in the sunshine or walking down a public street. I guess it is a good way to get rid of those rough and ugly looking people who are down on their luck.

    As the number of homeless increase, I predict that the new homeless are not going to accept these kinds of treatments and that the streets are going to get really ugly in the next few years if the economy does not drastically improve.

    Next time you see a homeless person--take him or her to McDonald's or offer him a job mowing your lawn or trimming your hedges. Take a minute to talk to him or her--you might be surprised to learn they are skilled laborers or professionals who have been wiped out by the economy. YOU could be them someday--if the economy continues to tank--so treat them as you would want to be treated.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#8 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 5:50 PM EDT
    js-445607

    Carolyn Johansen, great post.

    • 3 votes
    #8.1 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
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    Ex-Pat-1776

    Well said, Carolyn.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#9 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 6:24 PM EDT
    ADad-1477522

    I'm wondering when the nation will look introspectively and think "hey, that could be me"... It's a shame for a nation as wealthy as ours to have homeless people and even working poor. We can send billions of $$$ to countries that truly hate us. Yet, we can not find the money to provide housing and a job for those who r in the nation *legally*... But, we can have *ILLEGALS* "do jobs we don't want to do??? That's a sad commentary of our nation and our nation's leadership (all parties).

    • 5 votes
    Reply#10 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 7:39 PM EDT
    Linda Luke

    Great comments and nice to see empathy. Far too much attitude that "this could never happen to me" and honestly it could happen to quite a few of us. I am thankful I have a roof over my head tonight.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#11 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:38 PM EDT
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    merleliz

    I was homeless once, a long time ago, when the world was different. I was young, divorced, lost my job and had nowhere to turn, no parents, no family. A friend's mother let me sleep on the floor of her garage and someone else offered me a job...I started working and never looked back. But I never forgot. If these people have a job and are working, and the city council refuses to allow them to do that...it's wrong, just plain wrong.

    Ban the panhandlers, they aren't even attempting to help themselves...but don't stop people from working, sometimes selling newspapers on the street corner is all that they can do, but at least they are trying.

    The best help you can give a homeless person is work...not money, not food, but a job. I know jobs are scarce and hard to come by, but these people are trying...and they shouldn't lose what little livelihood they have to keep the retired population of St. Pete from having to look at them and feel guilty.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#14 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 10:29 PM EDT
    Randilly

    I have always thought of Homelessness, as a kind of leperosy. The Villagers are afraid they'll catch the disease if they get too close. They don't want to think about it. They would love to put the homeless into some kind of leper colony, just to get them out of sight and out of mind. You see, the Villagers are terrified that it might happen to them.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#15 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 11:00 PM EDT
    js-445607

    Randilly, I agree with you. I just read stories of Molokai and those with Hanson's disease. It is sad when someone is poor or ill people do not want to associate with him or her. Well, I can understand how this could happen but does this mean you cannot give them the time of day either? I have been on streets where every other step is someone begging or hocking their wares. I smile and say, "No Thank You" and move on. I give to shelters and other charitable organizations to assist the poor. It isn't so hard to be compassionate and set your boundaries. They don't have "cooties" they are just a bit broken and if you give them and smile and a "Hello" it makes their day feel a bit brighter. I wouldn't want to be someone who felt they must snub part of society because it made them uncomfortable.

    • 2 votes
    #15.1 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:10 AM EDT
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    River-239955

    "Safety issue" my foot. Life's too short for stupid people, I suppose.

    :(

    • 3 votes
    Reply#16 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 12:47 PM EDT
    Apples

    I'm from Austin and we have a huge panhandling problem, which I would love to see resolved with some legislation. That being said, making newspaper sales and charity roadside collections illegal is heinous. I have a problem with people who often use panhandling to make more money than the average American, but a person performing a job and a service... WTF?!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#17 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 5:32 PM EDT
    Hugo C. Gonzalez 76

    Window dressing on a bad, wrong, get-out-of-my-city, ordinance.

    If you have time read this about homeless: dignity, chance, part 1, part 2

    • 1 vote
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