Does Viagra Cause Divorce?

If I take a drug to get a woody, that should be my decision.

Oh that's totally your decision. but if you take it expecting to be able to sick said woody inside the woman... well that's where she gets a say. you know what i mean? but if you just want a woody wihtout anyone else involved than more power to you!

Sans...

if you take it expecting to be able to sick said woody inside the woman... well that's where she gets a say.

Help me understand why a man needs to get a woman's say on how he achieves HIS erection?

that's not what i said. he can get an erection any way he wants as often as he wants. However, if he wants to use it on (in?) her then the woman gets a say if its going near her or not. just because a man takes a pill doesn't give him an all access pass to vagina land. just like if there was a pill for women that did the same thing it wouldn't give her the right to tackle her man out of the blue. the issue brought fourth by the article is men using Viagra to get erections without discussing the desired frequency of intercourse with their partners. in other words: lack of communication.

Communication is important, but if they are married they should feel obligated to fullfill each others needs (just as they should feel obligated not to look elsewhere). This issue is a bit complicated and has become more so in the modern climate of political correctness.

Thinking sex is an obligation marriage is what makes men feel like their performance is inadequate go out and take pills with out seeing if their wives feel the same way. It is what makes women go years without experiencing an orgasm because they are ashamed to talk about it. Sex isn’t an obligation or a right, it’s a happy fun time bonus that makes marriage a little more awesome but it’s not the point of a marriage. For instance, I probably want to have sex at least twice as often as my husband does if not more. Does that suck sometimes? Yeah. Do we make it work? Hell yeah. because I married a partner, not a penis. It has very little to do with political correctness and everything to do with respect for yourself and the one person you are supposed to love more than anything in the world.

Sans...

I understood what you meant and I repeat, why does a man need to explain all the various reasons why he is "stimulated?"

just because a man takes a pill doesn't give him an all access pass to vagina land.

This is a totally different thought. Having mutually agreed upon intimacy is a given.

However, once the green light is given/received, why is it an obligation on the man's part to explain that he uses a pill, pron, fantasies, pictures, etc., to get aroused?

I still don't understand why he is obligated to provide some sort of full disclosure explaination, just because she wants him. Is she obligated to divulge the type of lubricant she may or may not be using? Is she obligated to disclose what birth control she may or may not be using? And on and on...

Is she obligated to divulge the type of lubricant she may or may not be using?

hell yes. We discovered He has an alergy to astorglide for instance.

Using aids after the green light being given isn't what the Isuue being discussed is. Stop making up things just so to can get mad about it. Pills, porn, Whatever gets ya going (I surely don't care) as long as the resulting action is agreed upon it's cool.
However if you respect each other yeah I think there is some expectahion that you would inform your other what medication you are taking for ANY reason. This goes totally beyond sex. This is about trust and safty. There are some severe drug interactions that can happen with Viagra and pregnant women shouldn't even handle it. But this wasn't even my origional point.

Having mutually agreed upon intimacy is a given.

this was.
Unfortunatly it's not a given and in too many cases on spouse feels that they have the right to *expect* sex. And that going through the effort of stimulating themselves gives them the right to have the amount of sex *they* want. That's my point. I'm not worried about stimulation resulting in mutually agreed on amouts of happy screwing. That is awesome and indont care how folks get there.
Got me?

I probably want to have sex at least twice as often as my husband does if not more. Does that suck sometimes? Yeah.

Apparently, from all that you've written, your sex life is not what you wish it would be. That's sad.

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S: Got me?

G: Don't want you!

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Vagina Land???

So let me get this straight, if you are supposed to do something because you have a commitment, it can't be fun anymore? Once something is expected of me it just isn't fun? So, if I sign up for cheerleading and then I HAVE TO go to the games, cheering would no longer be fun? That is a mindset that I just can't seem to adjust to, but it explains a lot.

Maybe that's why when we talk about career goals I get such pearls of wisdom as "work isn't supposed to be enjoyable or fulfilling that's why they call it work"

IMO if you expect to be my sole supplier of ANYTHING and continue that indefinitely, then you need to supply me with how much I need of whatever that thing is. Sex is the only thing that isn't viewed this way by most. Why?

Ironically, because humans have a higher intelligence than animals we need sex for our egos as well as our bodies. It is still a need. The way I see it these men need to feel like a man,and that is pretty important. If it has bothered them enough to go and get pills to fix it, I find it hard to believe they haven't brought it up with their wives.

Apparently, from all that you've written, your sex life is not what you wish it would be. That's sad.

heh, the sex is awesome. that part of why i want it more often ;) there nothing sad about understanding your partner though. however, if you want to twist up what i'm saying to feel better about youself then by all means do so. thats sad.

G: Don't want you!

you know thats not what i ment, Douche Canoe.

Vagina Land???

its where you can go enjoy a twat salad.

enjoy your faux man rage.

IMO if you expect to be my sole supplier of ANYTHING and continue that indefinitely, then you need to supply me with how much I need of whatever that thing is. Sex is the only thing that isn't viewed this way by most. Why?

this is where we could get into a debate of quality vs. quantity. If i have to choose I'm in favor of the former. otherwise things ...

So let me get this straight, if you are supposed to do something because you have a commitment, it can't be fun anymore?

again not what i said. I just said sex is not an obligation or a right. it's not somethign you can just take fomr another person. Regardless of your relationship status with them. it stops being fun when the pressure of expectaiton outweighs well... the fun. thats the point.

Part of a marrage working is learnign to not be selfish. and that goes for way more than just sex. You're not by yourself anymore, you're part of a partnership.

Sans...

Please try to keep up.

G: your sex life is not what you wish it would be

S: the sex is awesome

I said your Sex Life! Not the sex!!

So...if you want to twist up what I'm saying to feel better about yourself then by all means do so. that's Double sad.

With regards to sex... I have been successfully practicing the sexual aspects of Tao for over 15 years. Sex is something I take very seriously. I am a Pleaser, first and foremost.

I have to say, as a man that enjoys a VERY active sex life, gets great satisfaction from pleasuring my Lady friends on a regular basis, and am told after the first couple of hours that I am very satisfying to be with, that your Comments remind me of an exchange in the movie, Terms of Endearment...

Garrett Breedlove: You're just going to have to trust me about this one thing. You need a lot of drinks.
Aurora Greenway: To break the ice?
Garrett Breedlove: To kill the bug that you have up your ass.

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Vagina Land? Douche Canoe? Who writes your stuff??

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I dated a Lady that douched with vinegar. We broke up. To this day, whenever I walk by a Salad Bar, I still get a Woody...

With regards to sex... I have been successfully practicing the sexual aspects of Tao for over 15 years. Sex is something I take very seriously. I am a Pleaser, first and foremost.

I'm a fan of power exchange myself

read into my sex life what you will we've found balance and I'm happy. I don't need to defend that to anyone.

The only bug up my ass is that you seem to want to be angry that I'm trying to say something that you aparently agree with. I don't know what issues you have but I don't need you working them out on me.

I dated a Lady that douched with vinegar. We broke up. To this day, whenever I walk by a Salad Bar, I still get a Woody...

24 hour grocery stores are a fabulous thing.

Peace.

Sans...

we've found balance and I'm happy.

I probably want to have sex at least twice as often as my husband does if not more. Does that suck sometimes? Yeah.

Uh Huh.

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24 hour grocery stores are a fabulous thing.

You would know better than me. I Shop by Day, Play by Night.

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I don't need to defend that to anyone.

Nobody is asking you to. But, you were the one that brought up YOUR sex, or lack of it...

I'm out!

i likethe one where you tale the pill and it makes two bathtubs appear. that's hott. but i dont think my apartment is big enough for that kind of action.

I thought it meant they'd be using "five finger felicia" or "hannah hand"......