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Formal Education VS Life Experience: POLL

Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:18 PM EDT
odd-news, poll, writing, intelligence, reading, colleges, experience, universities, maddad, mind-development, life-experience, self-education, street-smart, book-smart
By maddad

Live Poll

Which do you believe is the best way to learn?

View Results
  • 106442
    life experience
    18%
  • 106443
    formal education
    3%
  • 106444
    some of both
    79%

VoteTotal Votes: 129

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Do you thin the persons own personality and natural abilities dictate which is the best way for them to learn?

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  • 106445
    yes
    95%
  • 106446
    no
    2%
  • 106447
    doubt it
    4%

VoteTotal Votes: 114

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Which do you think is more important?

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  • 106448
    book smarts
    3%
  • 106449
    street smarts
    6%
  • 106450
    mixture of both
    91%

VoteTotal Votes: 123

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I have friends that have degrees from multiple Universities and Colleges that are dumb as rocks. I also have friends with G.E.Ds that have some life experience that are some of the most intelligent people I know.

I always wanted to go to college, but life happens.

I lived a pretty rough childhood, quit school in the 8th grade. Then at 17 I joined the United States Navy. They put me on a very old guided missile destroyer, USS Lynde McCormick DDG8, commissioned in 1961. I jumped on board in 1985 as a storekeeper. They woke me from a drunken coma one morning and said..."wake up sailor! it is time to take your G.E.D." HA HA, I couldn't even see good enough to read through my bifocals. I could see the little bubbles you have to fill in and did it in a pattern. Guess what? I passed the damn thing! I stayed in the Navy another 3 years after that. We served during the Iran-Iraq War in the Persian Gulf escorting oil barges through the war zone, with the Iranians using us for target practice with what thank goodness turned out to be lousy land to sea missiles. Hell of a "Cold War".

I came home and went to work for the state as a correctional officer at several maximum security prisons. After a couple of years of that I went to the Community College and took a couple semesters. I did well, I just couldn't do the student thing.

The next several years were spent managing and bouncing in adult bars.

I read a lot and write, some may not think well, but I enjoy it. I can think fairly objectively and would consider myself minimally intelligent.

So what is best for the development of a mind? Self Education through life experience or a degree from this university or another? Does it depend on the person?

MD

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maddad

thanks for your time, participation in the poll and most importantly your comment. MD

  • 5 votes
#1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:19 PM EDT
Kshark

I am a fervent believer in the mix of both, street smarts and book smarts.

I did attend school, earned 3 degrees and mind you I would be more highly chosen over someone for employment that does not have my education background, but at the same time you learn things from experience as well.

Though not all can learn the experiences or have the opportunities too.

Everyone has strengths and weaknesses on all levels.

As someone once told me a clever quote:

"Everyone has a learning disability."

That doesn't mean so much dyslexia or problems with test taking, but it means not everyone is gifted in everything, some people are better at things than others.

I luckily, aside from spending too much time in school, thankfully also had the ability to travel and experienced life in other countries that teaches you a massive lesson about yourself.

I also experienced a crap load of tragedy in life that is another learning lesson.

Schools provide the core areas and core elements of which to study and then apply that information to the employment world.

You won't learn everything in school, you won't learn everything in the streets, but to combine both you have a brilliant person.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT
UNA_Lion

An old college professor once told me that one of the smartest women he had ever met was a Tennessee mountain woman who had not a day of formal education. Knowledge comes from multiple sources, and wisdom cannot be taught.

  • 13 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:31 PM EDT
maddad

UNA_Lion

friends req sent, good reminders. thnx MD

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:34 PM EDT
UNA_Lion

Glady accepted.

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:36 PM EDT
hhabilis

I started college in 1967, and finally graduated in 1996. Along the way I took far more credits than I needed to graduate, at a number of schools. I also worked, and made some significant contributions of knowledge, improvements, and money saved for my employers. Many of those higher up had done their college in four years and out, and were dumb as a box of rocks.

Before I got my degree, I pissed and moaned about potential employers who wouldn't even look at my very real accomplishments because I didn't have a degree; now I piss and moan because potential employers think I'm overqualified.

I would not, however, change the way I acquired the knowledge I have, because each (academics and experience) informs what I learn in the other. Which is how it's supposed to be; school shouldn't be divorced from reality.

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:48 PM EDT
pelican

Like yourself, also quit school at an early stage of my education. I wouldn't go back there for all the money in the world. The brain scrubbing was intolerable and the level of incompetence of my high school teachers bordered on being criminal.

Thank God I had the sense to remove myself from that situation as soon as I realized what was happening. Unlike you however, I was not a zombie who would be willing to take a life changing test that in your words was thrust upon you....."wake up sailor! it is time to take your G.E.D."

Instead, I found my own way to navigate through the burecratic maze that intimidates most people, and causes them to drop their hands to there sides in submission and well, Submit!

Not gonna happen to me pal........ever!.......I am my own man and will always be a moral and mortal soul traveling through life with the sun on the horizon and the wind at my back.

An open mind is like a sponge, and if you let it, it will soak up all lifes wonders and bathe you in all the knowledge life has to offer.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:06 PM EDT
maddad

well put. frnds req sent.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:36 PM EDT
Lissa Rose

I love that, UNA Lions!

I teach high school. Everything I "learned" in college is not useless, but I don't use a lot of it. It is my experience as a person (not a teacher) that helps bridge the gap between my students and myself. Right now, my state is losing a lot of the vocational and "work study" programs. I have been trying to find ways to keep them in the school I teach at. In the particular school I work, the students are not motivated academically, but they are quite gifted when it comes to mechanics and many other aspects of the work force.

I had one student this past year that had trouble writing a complete, grammatically correct sentence, but I could direct her toward a car, and she could break down the engine and rebuild it while fixing any problem that engine had.

  • 10 votes
#1.8 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:46 PM EDT
Anatoly-Rex

I'm also a teacher. In a lot of ways I don't think our schools are designed to educate as much as they are designed to prepare students for the workforce. Because of this I think many people grow up with low opinions of school while simultaneously finding that self-education is far more rewarding. While this is understandable, I think the importance of formal education is wrongly disregarded. In a great deal of subjects what separates the experts from the educated can only be achieved through gaining a particular kind of insight only a teacher can provide. The field of History is a perfect example of this. There is a lot of misinformation and misdirection one can fall into as someone who self-educates; traps which a good teacher will help a student avoid. I strongly support self-education and those who seek to expand their horizons but I believe seeking out teachers is an important step in the road to intelligence.

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:45 PM EDT
Vlad's dog

I agree, a good teacher is a guide and is needed to show a path. I still think of them often.

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:49 PM EDT
Lissa Rose

I can definitely agree, Anatoly Rex, but not everyone will pursue an academic based line of work. The way that the school in the state I teach in actually punish the school for every student that chooses not to go directly to a four year university. (Yes, there is a lot more to that, but it is complicated and changes almost every year.)

I enjoy talking to my students, and they are very curious about things I have done and options that I know about. They even like to hear about when I was in high school. They ask about what my teachers did when I was a student.

A good teacher is a wonderful help when it comes to shaping a student into an independent adult, but a negative teacher is just as damaging. School should be balanced with life experiences. There is an old adage: Too much of a good thing turns it sour.

There is a lot of misinformation and misdirection one can fall into as someone who self-educates; traps which a good teacher will help a student avoid.

It is wonderful when someone takes the initiative to learn something for the sake of knowing and comprehension. You are absolutely right though; people need guides when it comes to covering new ground.

  • 7 votes
#1.11 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:50 PM EDT
SPECTACULARARAB

This is purely my opinion but me think that one needs to more more Smarter than one's own intelligence. Simple. .

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:24 PM EDT
Citizen Ira

School academics are important without question. Also, the home learning is paramount because it involves the parents which is crucial in real life explanations that help children figure it all out. One element can't survive without the other.

Citizen Ira

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:15 PM EDT
Lissa Rose

That is certainly true, Citizen Ira.

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:55 PM EDT
Newbigtech

It is a fact that we as a nation have lost the ability to think for ourselves and reason.

The academics have pushed University curriculum to the point that we now have an abundance of people with degree's that can not find work. So they become lifetime students, but never participate in real life and work.

These educated dummies are book smart. Most go on to get a masters degree out of the inability to recognize that enthusiasm and confidence in your ability to get things done are what employers are looking for.

As a Ex Admissions adviser, I spoke to them daily.

A masters degree'd individual that does not know how to sell themselves and wonders why they can't break the 30K a year mark.

  • 6 votes
#1.15 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT
Kshark

Newbigtech--

What?

Aside from your first sentence which I agree with, the rest of your post is what?

  • 3 votes
#1.16 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:49 PM EDT
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KyleN

Formal education and experience are different tools for different roles.

A formal education teaches you how to learn quickly and the starting point for many ways or modes of thought as well as a broad base of information from which to draw ideas. It's like a cliff notes for many people's life experiences.

Experience on the other hand fills in the gaps, it's what you draw on to go from idea to finished product. Experience tells you the difference in stupid ideas and good ideas.

I have a couple of degrees including an advanced degree and I've worked off and on, though mainly on, since I was about 12 so 20ish years. I'm sure there are plenty who would consider that not enough experience but I'm getting there.

The bookish academic types tend to have lots of ideas on how to do something but a hard time actually applying those ideas. The people who lack formal education tend to get stuff done real well but have a harder time inventing whole new ways of doing things. Any generalization doesn't fit everybody but I think that is a fair one for a significant majority.

Finally not all education nor life experience is equal, your mileage may vary.

  • 12 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:33 PM EDT
D DeMilo

agreed Kyle

Finally not all education nor life experience is equal, your mileage may vary.

an understated truism

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Justme-517872

A bit of both worked for me. All of my jobs have been a slow climb upward and all were jobs that maximized on my natural abilities and built on my personal experience. My college years added to my knowledge and understanding and came in handy when I got my last promotion a few years ago. So for me it's been a combo of everything.

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
goober.70

Formal education and experience work hand in hand. Some folks don't have the capacity for formal education. They may not qualify for a CEO position. Experience makes for a better educated CEO.

Excellent poll. Well asked questions.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
maddad

thnx

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:11 PM EDT
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greck

the others have pretty much said it. It's not an "either/or" type of thing, they both count and compliment each other.

I'd go further and say that my formal education has made my practical experience richer and has made me better able to make meaning of it-not just in work, but in the rest of life as well. Similarly, my practical experience (working with children while studying child psychology, working in mental health while studying social work) equipped me for making better use of my time in the classroom.

the other thing to consider is the task. There are some tasks that are better learned from the bottom-up, and others that are better learned from the top-down. A complete education will always include both theoretical understanding and experience, though, so it's important that the loop be closed, no matter where one enters it.

With books/theory, you can cover alot more ground in a short period of time, with practical experience you get more depth and permanence.

  • 7 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:10 PM EDT
slr76-1299710

I find that a combo of both types of "learning" work best for most people. What I hate is that so many jobs/careers in our society seem to think that without a piece of paper from some version of a place of "higher learning", you can't do a job well. Requiring a college degree for many of the positions I see advertised is silly. How many people who could do the job well, even succeed at it with flying colors, never get the chance because of the deeply ingrained belief that just because you proved you could pay out huge sums of money and sit through boring lectures on completely irrelevant topics to your degree, you are better than the non-degreed candidate.

  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:11 PM EDT
maddad

if memory serves me we have had at least one supreme court justice that wasn't even a lawyer.....ideas must transfer through focused effort and experience. JMO

  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:14 PM EDT
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bmx mom-902413

Went to college for a while, dropped out and joined the Army for three years. Got to see some of the world. Met my husband and got married. Eventually I went back to college and finished my degree. Moved all over with my husband who was still active duty and had two kids. Being a parent and moving around meeting many different people has really taught me alot about people. Moving alot has also led to many jobs in different industries. There is no one way to gain knowledge. You get it from many sources and experiences and that is a good thing. I'm going to be a grandma in a few months, so more new experiences to come!

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:14 PM EDT
maddad

I'm going to be a grandma in a few months, so more new experiences to come!

congratulations! my first grandchild, grandpa's girl just turned a year old. it is nice not to have to be the parent, this is much less labor intensive...lol

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:17 PM EDT
bmx mom-902413

Thank you, my first is going to be a little boy. My 14 yo son wasn't thrilled at being an uncle but now that it's a boy, he thinks it might be fun. My daughter is still in college, so I think I'll be babysitting alot.

  • 3 votes
#8.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:22 PM EDT
maddad

mine has two uncles 7 and 8 and an aunt who is 4.......they still don't get it.

  • 4 votes
#8.3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:25 PM EDT
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Metal Guitarist

Books only teach theory, and life always kicks theory dead in balls.

  • 11 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:17 PM EDT
D DeMilo

life is what happens when you are busily making plans

  • 8 votes
#9.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:35 PM EDT
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Dale95

My grandmother taught school back in 1919-21, with six months of formal education after high school. She taught k through 12, in a one room school house and love her kids. She didn’t just teach them the books, she taught them how to help each other and how to work together, all while at different levels and ages. That’s a tough thing to do, but she loved her kids.

Today, teachers need at least four years of college just to teach kids how to do simple math and reading and they are losing the battle. I don’t want to belittle all you teachers out there but it seems to me that learning how to memorize techniques for passing standardized tests just doesn’t apply to real life situations.

The kids are running the show in today’s classrooms and I blame the universities and the teachers. IMHO.

  • 6 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
Sue-715551

better get either the dates right, or the right names for the younger groups, as education only went up to 8th grade back then, and then prep-school and on to college.

  • 2 votes
#10.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:11 PM EDT
Dale95

I'll be damned, I didn't know that. She was born in 1902 and she use to tell me stories.

If that being the case, of only going to eighth grade before her six months formal training, then she would have only been about 13 or so, teaching kids. Boy oh boy, I wish I could ask her about that. Thanks for that info Sue.

But then this was West Virgina, and maybe they had higher educational standards then where you're from.

  • 2 votes
#10.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:59 PM EDT
storyartist

My grandmother was born in 1894 and taught in a one-room schoolhouse. She was also the first special ed teacher in Southern Illinois (after she moved into town). Her teaching certificate qualified her for all this. When I started school in 1955, she was the only one who could ever help me with homework. In 1970 she came on vacation with my parents to visit me after I'd moved away. Other than her train ride to Colorado getting her teaching certificate , it was the only time she'd been more than 50 miles away from home.

  • 6 votes
#10.3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:16 PM EDT
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MoCowgirl-1193719

I am a seeker...a natural "student" who has far more questions than I will ever find the answers to, but it is the continual process of learning that I enjoy.

I think a basic education is necessary to be able to read, write, do math....and math instills logic skills which I have found useful from time to time. I think a college education is beneficial to some people and to others --- they have acquired a piece of paper that supposedly says that they learned something. It is life's experiences that provides the seasoning of the soul and therefore the greatest education IMHO.

Repetition has always bored the bejeezus out of me, so when I make mistakes I really try to learn from them ....so it gives me more time to make "new" mistakes to learn from. LOL!

  • 6 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:03 PM EDT
tzia62

I believe a college education is nothing but a piece of paper that doesn't necessarily guarantee a good job or happiness. A lot of people with degrees and such go to apply for jobs and find out they are over-qualified and don't get the job. So I think mostly life experiences are the best teachers.

  • 1 vote
Reply#12 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:19 PM EDT
UNA_Lion

My uncle once said that a college degree is a filter through which one must pass in order to get the higher-paying jobs.

  • 6 votes
#12.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:31 PM EDT
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SeattleBobb

Like all other aspects of life, I think it's a balance.

I think the best approach is a combination if possible. School helps to establish a foundation, it helps to learn how to learn if that makes sense. Real-life experiences teaches that variables are not always static, reactions are not always as they should be, and I think it teaches how to address the human, unpredictable side of things.

I am a huge proponent of traveling, if people have the financial means to do so. I think it is one of the best forms of education out there. To me, travelling has made me aware of how different people interact and what's really important. Being well traveled is very often a characteristic of people who I have met that I would describe as very knowledgeable.

  • 6 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:24 PM EDT
bonos_rama

A mixture is good, and there are some times that experience trumps all, unless of course we are talking about being a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer...then education is an absolute necessary!

  • 3 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:37 PM EDT
Marine24

I have ran into many EDUCATED IDIOTS in my life. You need a good balance of both education and life experiences, I did graduate High school, just barely I never opened a book the last two years, but I couldnt afford college and scholarships were for the athletic, so I joined the Marines before they could draft me, however my draft notice came while I was in boot camp; see education at work. Many young officers didnt make it through Nam because their education got in the way, some learned the hard way of lifes tribunals, some turned out ok, I finally got my 2 degrees while still on active duty. and even in the military its not what you know its who you know, lifes experiences help forge your future and education gives it the kick in the butt to futher it along. You grow up fast or die young in the military. but I wouldnt trade my experiences for all the gold at fort knox, Common sense should be the rule of life, as the gamblers says Know when to fold em know when to hold em know when to walk away, seems like good advice to me.

  • 5 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:47 PM EDT
MoonCrow

A high IQ is a plus ... it will get you to and help you to succeed in many places where book learning will fail you. Education begins at home, so I am a firm believer that a child with a high IQ, and who is schooled and guided at home, instead of relying on public education, will truly excel. A child must be guided and trained in resourcefulness ... and logic as well.

If one can recite the dates of events is irrelevant ... if, however, one can understand the causes and impact of those events, then that is where education really is significant.

  • 8 votes
Reply#16 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:39 PM EDT
PaladinUSA (redux)

Well said.

I've been blessed with both a wildly diverse life experience and one of the finest educations available -- St. Louis University.

Although my work using the formal education was never realized -- for reasons of my own I was unable to abide the attitude and endless jawboning -- there is not a day that the skills learned are not used. And that includes working the deep mines and the battlefields.

  • 4 votes
#16.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:01 PM EDT
Dale95

Just a thought here. With home schooling having such advantages I have to wonder, those parents don't have formal training in teaching, for the most part, so how can they be so successful? What does that say about the need for all that university knowledge?

  • 4 votes
#16.2 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:11 PM EDT
MoonCrow

Hi Daniel ... there's no doubt in my mind you are of superior intellect ... that special intellect that not everyone is privileged to acquire ... it's evident in every word you write ... comment ... and inspire. It's an intellect that cannot be memorized ... one is born with it and through life's experiences it is enhanced. I have a bit of it myself ... it's an awareness ... a "knowing" ... a perceived knowledge, and for the most part, that element of knowledge cannot be learned.

  • 4 votes
#16.3 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:17 PM EDT
MoonCrow

Dale ...

I think the success in home schooling is the focus. Today, public education has to deal with a lot of political agenda. A lot of a public school's daily routines center around non educational activities ... like breakfast ... bus schedules ... being politically correct every moment of every day.

The home school is about learning ... and preparing a child for life.

  • 5 votes
#16.4 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:23 PM EDT
Dale95

Exactly, I agree, but then that proves that all that expensive university training is just a game that people must pay to play. That spells PHONY to me.

  • 4 votes
#16.5 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:28 PM EDT
PaladinUSA (redux)

Old man blushes.

Thank you, MoonCrow.

Blessed, yes. Superior is not in my lexicon.

From Rubble Rat to common soldier to simple coal miner, I've had marvelous folks at my side assisting and guiding me. And most importantly the gift of life more than once.

If anything I'm simply a reflection of every person who has entered my life. I'm pleased if it is a good one as they were all most exceptional people.

  • 4 votes
#16.6 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
virginia-1492786

I am a firm believer in this ...If a parent is capable of teaching their child from birth to kindergarten age they are more than likely capable of continuing to teach their child. I never understood why people think that once our children reach 'school age' only a certified teacher is capable of teaching them. Any parent that can read, write and do basic math is quite able to teach those same skills to their children as well as teaching them to think for themselves and to use logic and rely on themselves to figure things out. All of my children completed their homeschooling by age 16 and received GEDs before taking classes at community colleges or as my youngest daughter is doing, attending Eastern Washington University.

I mostly taught from life experiences once my children had the basics down and I am very proud of all of them because not only do they have very high IQs they also have common sense and can apply all their book learning to their own real life experiences :)

  • 7 votes
#16.7 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:51 PM EDT
MoonCrow

Daniel ... you are truly a role model for our youth today.

  • 3 votes
#16.8 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:53 PM EDT
PaladinUSA (redux)

:)

Bless.

  • 3 votes
#16.9 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:07 PM EDT
Lissa Rose

Any parent that can read, write and do basic math is quite able to teach those same skills to their children as well as teaching them to think for themselves and to use logic and rely on themselves to figure things out.

I see your point, Virginia, but I must disagree with this part. I have had students that had parents that did not have a working grasp of any of these skills. If they chose to try to educate their children themselves, it would result in this ignorance continuing.

A parent should choose what is best for his or her child. For some, that would be a school, and for others, that would be home schooling. Personally, I think students should experience a bit of both, even if the home schooling only comes in the form of helping the child to determine a direction in life. As important as education is, I believe it is our experiences that shape us the most. We judge situations and others by what we experience (in my experience...)

The advantage of having someone that has a certification is that the licensing is supposedly supposed to ensure that that particular teacher can enrich and add more to the child's education. (Although, politics can get in the way of the teacher accomplishing this.) That means at the higher levels that are beyond the basics, the child has someone that has gone even further than the level he or she is trying to attain and can help paint the bigger picture. Some students choose to go all the way through Calculus in high school to prepare for college, as an example. Some parents can provide these higher levels while some cannot.

  • 3 votes
#16.10 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:01 PM EDT
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Lisafrequency

I wish I had spent the money I spent on education on property.

  • 5 votes
Reply#17 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:50 PM EDT
MoonCrow

[smile] ... I hear ya Lisafrequency ... great observation.

  • 4 votes
#17.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:54 PM EDT
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virginia-1492786

I agree that it takes both life experience and formal education to make a person well balanced. I quit school after I completed 8th grade and at 16 left home to make my own way. I settled down with a great man and raised 6 children that I homeschooled after I received my GED and a college degree. I found that just having life experience puts you behind the eightball when looking for a well paying job but having both puts you at the front of the line :)

Thanks for the great poll, Mad.

  • 5 votes
Reply#18 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:51 PM EDT
soggy9000

Abe Lincoln. Need I say more?

  • 2 votes
Reply#19 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:56 PM EDT
Angry Left-532262

It not like once someone get's a "formal education" they stop gaining "life experience".

Would I rather hire a guy right out of college, a 50 year old with 30 years experince and no education or a 35 year old with a college degree and 15 years experience?

  • 3 votes
Reply#20 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:03 PM EDT
Vlad's dog

Grew up in a housing project, small for my age, used my brains to stay in one piece. Worked in steel mill, smart for my age, became a union steward. Lost my job because I was a skilled worker and they didn't want us anymore, too smart for my age. Worked many odd jobs till I met my wife, smart move, she saw my art work and made me go back to school, Masters degree, teaching, moved to farm. Hard work, painting and the small life to end my time with grace.

Peace to all.

  • 6 votes
Reply#21 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:27 PM EDT
MoonCrow

Vlad ... now how cool is that? ... the core of you ... the flame of your very being ... steadfastly flickering and enduring through the years ... holding on to life's inner breath ... until you could awaken. Well done!

  • 5 votes
#21.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:40 PM EDT
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Stu-4803409

Both are important, there are some things that will only come to you with the right training and background given by school, things that don't necessarily make sense but are often the correct answer. There are other things that only are learned by doing, or by experience. You can read about riding a bike but unless you actually try it they are two very different experiences.

  • 5 votes
Reply#22 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:01 PM EDT
Polka14

People need to learn more however not enough people take education seriously anymore. An education is far more important then "street smarts" which is something that can teach a person absolutely nothing except how to fail at life. An entire generation of Americans do not learn or aspire to be anything important. Politicians understand this and they try to gain the votes of the unintelligent by saying very ignorant things and people will believe them. Americans need knowledge that can be found in books, not in popular culture.

  • 5 votes
Reply#23 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:12 PM EDT
Stu-4803409

Well they need both but higher education has been priced right out of most people's reach.

  • 6 votes
#23.1 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:21 PM EDT
Polka14

Higher education should be free. We should not let our enemies produce smarter citizens because it will reduce our standing in the world and it would not allow us to have the smartest scientists or educators that make our nation the most productive in the world.

  • 4 votes
#23.2 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:03 AM EDT
hhabilis

Higher education should be free.

TANSTAAFL

  • 2 votes
#23.3 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:38 AM EDT
Stu-4803409

I agree polka... What good does it do most people or society to put a huge burden like that on people just starting out, if they can even get it at all? It reduces their ability to get married, reduces ability to buy a house or a car, reduces their abililty to save for retirement meaning down the line society is going to be forced to pay the cost for charging billions for degrees now.

  • 3 votes
#23.4 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:16 PM EDT
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bkoz

Thankfully I had some wonderful mentors in my young life to set me on the right path with their knowledge and wisdom which I have cherished to this day, unlike the formal education I was exposed to and brainwashed into a religious agenda.

  • 3 votes
Reply#24 - Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:18 PM EDT
PhxAZMom

Book smarts can be learned by everyone. Any one that wants to learn about something can do it. When you apply what you've learned you become experienced. No 2 life experiences are the same. There's always some degree of differences. Life experience thrusts you into situations unprepared and you cope and do the best you can. What you carry forward and how you use what you've learned to solve problems in the future is when life experience turns into wisdom.

I went from doing executive level work for a commercial developer in Hawaii, to being a full time stay at home parent to my children after my husband was killed on the job. Not very many employers count what a stay at home parent does as work related experience. After doing it for 15 years, I can say that they're clearly wrong about that.

  • 7 votes
Reply#25 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:21 AM EDT
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