Mom Is Suing After Wet T-shirt Leads To Arrest At Kiddie Splash Park

Perhaps the city ordinance requires all females to wear a burqini.

Even if she wasn't wearing a bra its not indecent exposure

That's correct. Breasts are not sexual organs. Breasts are mammary glands. Breasts have nothing to do with sex and women should be allowed to go topless or breast feed in public and if that is not acceptable, all men should have to wear shirts or bikini tops on beaches as well, because breasts are breasts and if you consider them sexual organs on women, they are sexual organs on men. I never understood why a fat man with big breasts can go topless but not a woman. Americans are really twisted and immature about breasts.

i advocate shirts for all. The hot ones never go topless anyways.

If breasts are not a sexual organ, why is getting hold of one (or two!) called getting to second base by every man I know?! And why do grown men want to suckle; they not getting any nutrition, y'know!

It may be a bad cop, but if his actions are being defended by the policy director, get a new director; otherwise there'll be repeat offenses by rookies. (I must disclose a prejudice in favor of cops, I like them; but then, my daughter was the kind that made allowances for human nature and avoiding ticketing whenever possible, understood the real meaning of "protect and serve")

Sorry, but clothing optional would certainly be an assault on my already delegate vision! So, no thank you; I'm no prude (by any stretch of the imagination), but let's get real. Most humans look a lot better clothed than naked. This isn't a philosophical or religious opinion. I've just seen enough naked bodies in my life to prefer the lights off! And, under the bright sun of Florida I'd probably pass out from the overload to my somewhat undernourished system!

I'd sue. . . .but it not for the money. I get an apology, and the city saves 3/4 of a million (I'd go public and stand by my statement). Lucky me, I'd end up rich, because no government or institution will every admit a mistake; they're afraid it'd make them look weak--rather than just human. No matter how strong the guarantee that a public apology is all that's necessary, they just can't bring themselves to do it, so they'll have their pride and she'll have the money. I actually watched a similar scenario play. . . they just couldn't bring themselves to say that mea culpa.

a police officer approached her and asked her for ID and her name

Ok, fair enough...

The police report indicates Lovett didn't give her name fast enough.

?????? Isn't her name ON the ID? WTF?

lol. it's standard procedure to make things trivial.

ever had a study sheet in school, and after studying it for a while, you ask a friend 'here, test me on this.'

that's pretty much what the cop did. the next question would have been 'what color are your eyes?'

I've never heard nor experienced any cop testing someone on their license.

I was lucky enough once to have one ask my weight, because I had lost quite a bit since I had gotten my license. Then asked how I had lost it (eating better & smaller portions & a lot of exercise). :)

Hey Mad there seems to be more to the story if you keep looking. This was the third time they had ask her to leave due to her attire. So she already knew what was acceptable to the park. I'm just saying there is more to this story than we know.

But its always good to condemn based on what you do not know.

I think you are right...they probably would tase them.

Yeah, overkill!

I wouldn't stain the Duke's name by comparing him to the police. He would have smiled at her and helped her to her car.

Rofl! good one Grandpa Dave:))

There you go again Darth O, expecting the people to read the article, watch the video, etc..., before commenting. As you well know many around here don't do that. Why, I don't know, but they do.

Common sense seems to have flown out the window long ago...

This story is too full of holes for any of us to pass judgment. For example, there is only one photo of her in the park which is not a particularly inflammatory photo- but there's no indication of how much later (and wetter, and maybe exposed) she was when she was asked to leave. Also, there is nothing that explains WHY the police officer approached her after she was asked to leave. There is no link given that would make it because of what happened in the park. Was she maybe intoxicated? Or acting strangely? Or really exposing too much skin? In any event, something caused the police officer to approach her- and that something is not explained in the article. The arrest was for her lack of cooperation with the police officer NOT for exposure. Maybe the police officer overreacted, or maybe this woman was behaving erratically and brought it all on herself.

Please. it's the same old story:

Police: "Officer followed procedure"

Prosecutor: "Charges dropped"

That says everything. Don't accept fascism. Not in this country.

Great points CM. There is a lot of info missing. But if taken at ground level, why ask someone to leave the park because their t-shirt is wet if they are wearing something underneath? Though I am not suggesting that she was wearing one such, there are bras that are more concealing than bikini tops yet it is ok to wear an exposed bikini top but not an exposed bra at a water park. Both do the job of covering breasts, but one is considered indecent and the other is not. It's a little silly no? I definitely do NOT want to go back to the days of the ridiculous bathing costumes of the early 20th century. Perhaps a greater exercise of discretion all around would be in order?

She was not charged with indecent exposure. She was charged with obstruction of justice and resisting arrest without violence because she didn't give the police her name fast enough.

The charges were dropped even though the cops say their officer was acting within policy. I wonder what their policy considers a reasonable time frame for answering questions?

That is a correct analysis of the legal charges. However she would not have been under legal scrutiny at all if she had not been asked to leave the park due to her exposing attire.

It does make you wonder though what DID happen with the officer. I wonder if that particular department makes use of body mics and what would turn up on an FOIA request to listen to that particular incident.

In this country, you are not required to speak to a police officer! That is not grounds for arrest! God, I am sick of watching people piss away their rights. Move to China!

In this country, you are not required to speak to a police officer! That is not grounds for arrest! God, I am sick of watching people piss away their rights. Move to China!

Excellent post. I agree with you. People ARE pissing their rights away.

As with most places where nothing important is happening, the police are bored so they pull people over or even arrest them for the most idiotic reasons.

"You were going two miles over the speed limit."

"Your radio was too loud, and the senior citizens down the road are trying to take their afternoon naps."

I will so never retire in Florida.

The Right To Silence, here in America it is the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution (part of the Bill of Rights) codifies the right to silence.

bonos_rama

How is a bra indecent exposure?

Here's another question: Why are exposed naked breast's considered indecent?

Maybe if she had taken the short off and just worn the bra?

bonos-rama,

How is a bra indecent exposure? She should have just said it was a bikini. Hint: a bikini top IS a bra; nothing more.

I totally agree.

Gee, I find I am agreeing with you on quite a few seeds lately:) Lol...

I mean her shirt (not her shorts of course)

Darn Sunny Bunny I was so hoping it was her Shorts...

Ryan-

I'd be curious to hear the whole story on this one. It seems as is there is a few things that are left out.

That is a good point Ryan, their has been some speculation and conjeture about this story.

I'd like to share my speculation:

Maybe the officer was motivated by the fact that the young women had an obvious accent, perhaps ..... Hispanic? and she does have the physical features and appearance of a Hispanic person.

Maybe upon seeing this; the officers got Arizona fever and decided to act like azz-holes and became unreasonable towards the young lady.

Maybe if the young lady had blonde hair and blue eyes with a mid-western accent, they might not have even bothered with her in the first place.

Who knows? ....... like I said it is just my speculation.

Conjecture and Speculations are not absolute and conclusive but my speculations are as valid as any others that have been posted about this story.

If I had to conjecture (conjure?) up some facts, I'd guess the woman was behaving obnoxiously inside the park, and even weirder outside of the park. I have never know a police officer to approach someone without some provocation. Except, maybe in AZ. Was this in AZ? If so, blame it on Gov. Brewer.

She was probably acting inappropriately, they called the police, she wouldn't cooperate, and they took her to jail. No race involved, this whole race thing needs to stop, ever since Obama was elected, everything has been blamed on race.

Why are we to assume what race she is? I didn't see any pictures, and even still, why would that make a difference?

I have never know a police officer to approach someone without some provocation.

What horsecrap!!!! Cops do it all the damned time. It's happened to me 3 or 4 times in my life and I am a conservative looking military retiree. Being a cop is a noble profession, but sometimes as a profession it attracts the wrong kind of person. In fact cross out the sometimes and make that often

Not giving your name fast enough does not qualify as resisting arrest and obstruction of Justice. This officer needs to be fired and his supervisors for supporting him should all be fired.

I have never know a police officer to approach someone without some provocation.

I've been pulled over for Driving While white in a Black neighborhood 6 times since 2000. Asking me if I'm a drug dealer and wanting to search my Suburban.

I've been stopped at night by police 3 times for walking to work and asked for ID and where I was going. Once was in the rain they made me late for work and wouldn't let me in the back while they spent 15 minutes running me. They claimed the parking lot I was walking through had a lot of car vandalism and I matched the description at night there is 0 cars in the parking lot which the cop didn't like that I pointed out to him.

I had 3 Cop cars from another city pull me over because I just used a pay phone while my friend was inside ordering a pizza. They pulled us over 500 feet inside another city and delayed us for a hour our pizza was cold when we got to the house.

CMlawyer, regarding post # 9.2:

If I had to conjecture (conjure?) up some facts, I'd guess the woman was behaving obnoxiously inside the park, and even weirder outside of the park....

con-jec-ture: to arrive at by conjecture or to make conjectures as to : infer by way of surmise : form opinions concerning on grounds confessedly insufficient to certain conclusion ~ vi : to make or form conjecture's; especially: to indulge in surmise

I hope that clears up your apparent confusion about: conjecture (conjure?) CM.

As to your statement about the woman's behaviour being obnoxious inside the park and even weirder outside the park, well you said it yourself CM; your guessing - that would be conjecture on your part, you know like an assumption, supposition, speculation, guess. Not certain fact.

I have never know a police officer to approach someone without some provocation.

Really CM?....... you have never known police officers to approach citizens without provocation and behave unlawfully towards them? Well then that's all there is to it then, isn't it, If you did not personally see it, then it must stand to reason that it never happens and has never happened; since you never saw it ....... right.

So it must be true that in all of the tens of thousands of police officers that patrol all of he metropolitan centers, towns, villages, cities, county's on the continental United States; there has never ever been a police officer that behaved un-lawfully against a citizen with out provocation because CMlawyer never personally saw it.

Tell me CM, how does it feel to be the all knowing center of the Universe.

Ryan-, regarding post #9.3:

this whole race thing needs to stop, ever since Obama was elected, everything has been blamed on race....

I agree with you on that one Ryan- I wish the Obama Haters would get over the fact that an intelligent man of color won the White House in 2008 and move on. The White Supremacist are livid and opportunistic politicians are playing off of that. The Race thing does have to stop ... agreed.

sunnybunny1269,regarding post #9.4:

Why are we to assume what race she is? I didn't see any pictures, and even still, why would that make a difference?

Who's assuming? I plainly said that I was offering my speculation, just as many others have done on this seed and I correctly pointed out that my speculations are just as valid as any others.

As for seeing pictures of the young woman, all you have to do is click - Read Article - at the top of this seed.

... why would that make a difference?

Well you see sunny, in my speculation I surmised that perhaps the cops got Arizona fever when they saw a Hispanic looking woman with what sounds like a Spanish accent.

agree with you on that one Ryan- I wish the Obama Haters would get over the fact that an intelligent man of color won the White House in 2008 and move on.

The intelligent part is up for debate. So far he hasn't done much of anything intelligent at all. Neither has his circus act of an administration.

brightstarone, sorry but I was pointing at people like yourself, that continue to bring a race card into things that clearly has no race involved.

Ryan-, regarding post #9.11:

brightstarone, sorry but I was pointing at people like yourself, that continue to bring a race card into things that clearly has no race involved.

Sorry Ryan, but the fact of the matter is that many Obama Haters are definitely motivated by Hatred for the man because he is a mixed race man of color. The white supremacist are livid that an African American is the commander and chief of the United States, that is why their have been disproportionately more threats against him and his family then any other president before him; even more so then against that Buffoon Bush.

Just because you and people like you want to run away from that reality and pretend that race has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with the hatred and vitriol against our President, does not mean that people should pretend and not point it out when they see it. Hiding from the truth never solves a problem and our country has a historic problem with White Supremacists and their sick culture of Hatred and violence, ignoring them won't make them go away.

As for my speculations on this seed story, as I said before they are as valid as any other speculations that have been made by other posters on this seed.

Hmmm this is interesting I think perhaps I should do a study upon this. I have often noticed that when intelligence has failed, the race card is played and overplayed. What I believe we need to do is ask ourselves the tough questions in these regards.

A. Is mental collapse part of this?

B. Has the person suffered some sort of major head trauma?

C. Is their family tree one continual straight branch?

Does anyone know of any current studies on this and could you help provide sources, other than the obvious we have seen here on the vine that is?

brightstarone, sure there are white supremacists out there that don't like Obama, but that is such a small percentage of the people that actually dislike Obama because of his policies. It's the same as the black people that dislike a white president because he is white.

Also, the increase in threats against Obama had be debunked. Stop watching so much Maddow.

taao,regarding your post#9.13:

I take it from your post, that you dis-agree with the opinions that I have expressed; ........so what?

The long round about way in which you expressed your dis-agreement with my opinion was dumb.

Your feeble attempt at being clever; was a miserable witless failure, and a transparent - Code of Honor Violation - just because I don't see things the way you do, does not make it an occasion for you to make cowardly under handed personal insults towards me taao.

You should grow up and represent yourself better so as to avoid embarrassment's like post #9.13

but that is such a small percentage of the people that actually dislike Obama because of his policies. It's the same as the black people that dislike a white president because he is white.

Wow. That is completely wrong.

brightstarone

taao,regarding your post#9.13:

I take it from your post, that you dis-agree with the opinions that I have expressed; ........so what?

I agree! So what...I am only one person and I am sure I am no threat to anyone. Its the now majority that agrees with me that should have you concerned. But it won't not even a little...you will always be able to fall back on the classics after the Democrats majority is gone and after 2012 when Obama is nothing more than a bad passing nightmare...yup, you guessed it...Blame Bush!

Hey but nice attempt at trying to play the victim here...there was no CoH violation. I mean if crying and whining over nothing is what does it for you...well hey you just knock yourself out with that one sweet pea. Would you like me to call a Waaaahmbulance for ya?

Ryan-, regarding post #9.14:

brightstarone, sure there are white supremacists out there that don't like Obama,.......

... don't like Obama?- that's some nice spinning their Ryan, but that's not the exact truth of the matter is it? aren't you minimizing and marginalizing just a bit there. It would be more truthful and accurate to say that: White Supremacists Hate Obama and would actually kill him and his entire family if they could.

but that is such a small percentage of the people that actually dislike Obama because of his policies.

I was not talking about people that have legitimate dis-agreements with the President and have never threatened him or would never harm him. Those people are not White Supremacists. I was talking about those filthy, dirty White Supremacists Racists, that bring up violence and death threats against the President.

It's the same as the black people that dislike a white president because he is white.

No Ryan it is not the same, it is not the same at all. I never heard of black people making 30 death threats a day against a sitting white President.

Also, the increase in threats against Obama had be debunked. Stop watching so much Maddow.

Really Ryan? - ...had be debunked. - I take it you meant - has been debunked -

If as you have declared the reported increase in death threats against President Obama have been debunked, then please share your source for this claim, who are the de-bunkers....... could it be Fox propaganda, if not then who?

In the mean time I took the liberty of Googleing - death threats against President obama - and I would like to share just a tiny fraction of what came up. News sources from America and around the world and the secret service, FBI have all said that President Obama has gotten more Death Threats then any other President, but please show me how this fact has been debunked.

As for Rachel Maddow..... well I don't know what she has to do with it, but I will continue to watch her fine news program. Since you have handed out un-asked for advice about my TV viewing habits I would like to offer you some advice on your TV viewing habits...... don't watch Fox propaganda.

Oh man the closer and closer to November...I am sure we are going to see many more such ridiculous posts. They are rather amusing though, and I am starting to fully understand Liberal depravity more and more with each passing day.

taao, regarding post #9.17:

...I am only one person and I am sure I am no threat to anyone.

That makes no sense, how are differences of opinions threats to anyone?

Its the now majority that agrees with me that should have you concerned.

Another dumb sentence that makes no sense.

...you will always be able to fall back on the classics after the Democrats majority is gone and after 2012...

Oh I see ..... I did not realize you had special powers that enable you to see into the future, what are you doing wasting time posting to me here on newsvine? you should be making a fortune with your amazing power of predicting the future. You could be a celebrated person on TV or the Magazines.

yup, you guessed it...Blame Bush!

If by that you mean that President Obama is now responsible for cleaning up the mess that George the Buffoon Bush made, ..... well Duh!!! ..... everyone knows that already taao.

...there was no CoH violation.

A. Is mental collapse part of this?

B. Has the person suffered some sort of major head trauma?

C. Is their family tree one continual straight branch?

In your feeble, wit-less ABC example you are inferring that I am some how mentally defective simply because I don't share the same opinion as you. That is a personal attack I simply called you out on the stupidity of your post, no need to get your panties in a wad over it princess.

Would you like me to call a Waaaahmbulance for ya?

That is another fine example of your feeble wit, I'm sure you worked real hard to come up with that gem didn't you Princess.

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taao, regarding post #9.19:

Speaking of ridiculous posts, see below:

Oh man the closer and closer to November...I am sure we are going to see many more such ridiculous posts. They are rather amusing though, and I am starting to fully understand Liberal depravity more and more with each passing day.

............?????????

You have an unsurpassed ability to post many words that say nothing.

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That again is mighty Liberal of ya and another reason you will fail. None of us Americans say anything of importance, its all gibberish. We are used to you not listening to us and not caring what we have to say. Your self touting and presumed intelligence and arrogance is just another one of those reasons Obama and the Liberal machine has set themselves up to fail. I mean its great that you people are so swollen and bloated over false pride and your own self importance. It will make the fall all that much sweeter.

Again concerning the feeble attempt at stating I violated the CoH...I asked a question, and of course it isn't answered yet. But where does it say it was directed at you? I guess the real question is. Why do you feel those questions apply to you? I apologise if one or more of them hits a little close to home, but really that is not my problem. Are you feeling the need yet to perhaps call me a racist or White Supremist yet? You make broad generalities to condemn a whole party thinking you are being clever and then try to play it off as something entirely different. You are not clever, you are simply just another Liberal who likes to play little games. Americans are tired of your games, end of story.

taao, regarding post #9.22:

That again is mighty Liberal of ya and another reason you will fail.

Another dumb sentence that says nothing, I see what your problem is; you have a simple minded - ( Liberal vs Conservative) -us against them mentality that you justify with sweeping incorrect generalizations about whole groups of people that you know nothing about.

None of us Americans say anything of importance, its all gibberish. We are used to you not listening to us and not caring what we have to say.

... None of us Americans? - We are used to you not listening to us?- Exactly what does that mean? do you presume to speak for all 300 million plus Americans. Do you think about what it is you are saying before you post taao?

I know you think you are the spokesperson for all Americans; but I don't agree with your delusion, the actual fact is that you only speak for yourself and so the only gibberish none-sense that is relevant to our discourse comes from your post's on newsvine, and my responding post's were to you alone.

Again concerning the feeble attempt at stating I violated the CoH...I asked a question, and of course it isn't answered yet.

... feeble attempt ?

lol ....... hmm that sounds familiar, I know that you are very gifted when it comes to repeating talking points but tell me this taao, can you come up with an original thought or way of expression? What I am asking is if you can think for yourself, instead of mouthing the same tired Liberal vs Conservative talking points that you keep mouthing like some mindless ideological robot.

...I asked a question, and of course it isn't answered yet.

You did not ask about your obvious COH violation You stated that there was no COH violation remember taao:

Hey but nice attempt at trying to play the victim here...there was no CoH violation.

I then responded and showed you your COH violation remember taao:

A. Is mental collapse part of this?

B. Has the person suffered some sort of major head trauma?

C. Is their family tree one continual straight branch?

In your feeble, wit-less ABC example you are inferring that I am some how mentally defective simply because I don't share the same opinion as you. That is a personal attack I simply called you out on the stupidity of your post, no need to get your panties in a wad over it princess.

Are you feeling the need yet to perhaps call me a racist or White Supremist yet?

I never called you a racist or White Supremacist, why are you inviting me to do so now what's that about taao?

You make broad generalities to condemn a whole party thinking you are being clever and then try to play it off as something entirely different. You are not clever, you are simply just another Liberal who likes to play little games.

That is exactly what you have been doing in your post's and now you are trying to turn it around by saying that I'm the one doing that, wow taao I'm shocked never saw that coming lol.

Americans are tired of your games, end of story.

Of course ... of course.

In your delusional world not only can you see the future but you also speak for all Americans. I hope you will forgive me if I consider YOUR Posting's gibberish.

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Until I come up with an original thought? I'm sorry I just believed that imitation was the highest form of flattery. I did attempt to keep it simple enough to be able to follow, guess I'll have to start utilizing grunts, groans, and less than two syllable words from now on.

No you just generalized of course when you made yet another overall statement trying to give the impression that everyone who does not agree with the supreme liar you people put in the White House in 2008 as President, is a racist. Talk about lack of originality. Wonder who could be considered a "mindless ideological robot" I mean its not like we have never heard this kind of weak garbage spewed before at all!

Concerning again your attempt to paint yourself the poor little innocent victim on my alleged CoH violation. You did nothing (typical) other than copy and paste what I said. You proved nothing...again. Point out where you were attacked...make a valid case. Oh wait you can't can you. Surprise and shocker there.

Sunnybunny,

Why are we to assume what race she is? I didn't see any pictures, and even still, why would that make a difference?

At the bottom of the article is a link to the tv news coverage of the story. In it we see her attire wet. We also see her interview and from the accent it is obvious she was not raised in this country.

As to why it should make a difference? It shouldn't. The question is Did it? If it did, that is wrong and should come out in the court case where they have more of the facts and the police are forced to comment.

For the people who dont bother to read the story or bother to get informed before commenting or are just too lazy...... here is the link to the original story with pics and a video interview....

http://www.wftv.com/news/24515173/detail.html

taao,regarding post #9.24:

I did attempt to keep it simple enough to be able to follow, guess I'll have to start utilizing grunts, groans, and less than two syllable words from now on.

... grunts and groans?...... I think your on the right track there taao, grunts and groans would be a vast improvement over the gibberish that you have been posting. But I must point out that you will have to call me on the phone, grunts and groans can't be heard on an Internet website.

Talk about lack of originality. Wonder who could be considered a "mindless ideological robot"....

That would be you taao, you argue from the lame premise of Conservatives vs Liberals. No normal human-being is all one thing and nothing else. There are somethings that an individual can be Conservative about and somethings that one can be Liberal about. Only a mindless simpleton believes and thinks with one ridged single minded ideology, you know like: It's all about Liberal vs Conservatives there is nothing in between it is either all one or the other.

Concerning again your attempt to paint yourself the poor little innocent victim on my alleged CoH violation. You did nothing (typical) other than copy and paste what I said.

Do you ever think before you post? because if you did, you would have seen how stupid this is:

You did nothing (typical) other than copy and paste what I said.

If you post an insulting CoH violation, why would I not copy and paste what you said to show you exactly what you said and what the violation was? It is the obvious thing to do. What's the matter do you have reading comprehension problems?

Point out where you were attacked...make a valid case...

I already did, but you did not acknowledge it because you either have a serious reading comprehension problem or you are not man enough to admit when you are wrong so you are pretending that I did not make my case concerning your CoH violation. So what, continue to pretend, it won't change the truth.

The only one between the two of us, who is not answering a question is you taao, remember:

Are you feeling the need yet to perhaps call me a racist or White Supremist yet?

I never called you a racist or White Supremacist, why are you inviting me to do so now what's that about taao?

You never answered my question to you taao, you ignored it, why?

Answered...I'm sorry if you have had a long day or maybe are just to mentally exhausted to not have recognized it. Nappy nap time maybe?

Again with more little slights and innuendo...is this that transparency thingy we have been hearing so much about? I know, I know you made no such slights etcetera. You poor misunderstood child!

Again concerning the nonexistant CoH violation. So now you are saying that cut and pasting what I typed is indeed proof? Please, please do me a favor and never stop being a Liberal...Republicans need you there. Let me tell you what I believe happened here...you read it and said to yourself "Wow I qualify!" and you took it as a personal attack from me. Its not my fault that you read yourself into it. But seeing as how "I" never addressed you in the entire post. The reality of the situation is, you were never personally attacked by me. Smaller words help?

taao,regarding post #9.28:

Again concerning the nonexistant CoH violation. So now you are saying that cut and pasting what I typed is indeed proof? Please, please do me a favor and never stop being a Liberal...Republicans need you there. Let me tell you..... blah, blah, blah ... heard it already Liberals vs Conservatives etc... etc... what ever....

You never answered my question taao, you ignored it, why?

Remember what you said:

Are you feeling the need yet to perhaps call me a racist or White Supremist yet?

Remember my response:

I never called you a racist or White Supremacist, why are you inviting me to do so now what's that about taao?

You made an inexplicable statement and I asked you to explain what you meant by it, it is a fair question taao; so why are you ignoring the question. Do you even know what you are talking about?

A bit off topic, wouldn't you say?

It was answered parrot, I cannot be held responsible for your lack of comprehension or possible lack of education, thats not my problem. You are really starting to bore the hell out of me with your insane whining. I feel like I'm having a conversation with the energizer bunny. Does nothing but repeat the same ridiculous line as well.

taao, regarding post#9.31:

So you cannot explain what you meant. Which shows you don't even understand the gibberish that you've been posting. Why am I not surprised.

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Bonnie-1034943, regarding post #9.30:

A bit off topic, wouldn't you say?

Yup..... just a wee bit my Bonnie, don't worry I won't waste anymore time with taao. Obama Haters will always take any opportunity to jump on any subject no matter how unrelated and make it about the President; so that they can vent their hatred and venom with the usual Liberals vs Conservatives Rhetoric.

taao,

• post #9.17:

I agree! So what...I am only one person and I am sure I am no threat to anyone. Its the now majority that agrees with me that should have you concerned. But it won't not even a little...you will always be able to fall back on the classics after the Democrats majority is gone and after 2012 when Obama is nothing more than a bad passing nightmare...yup, you guessed it...Blame Bush!

See what I mean, that's when he/she went off topic. taao hasn't posted anything interesting or informative and I don't expect she/he will, taao can't even explain his/her own sentences; so like I said I'm finished responding to him/her; boredom is starting to set in. Time to move on.

Please, your a Liberal the only thing you know how to do is go off topic when the obvious is pointed out and facts are brought into play. I need to stop being amazed at the fact that you people cannot see what is happening. In just the past week, I've learned that you do know what is happening and you see it...you just don't give a damn.

Yup..... just a wee bit my Bonnie, don't worry I won't waste anymore time with taao.

Lol:))

I'm always amazed at how schoolyard children attract others.

but that's the thing that makes me wonder what it is we don't know. i mean, on any given day water park employees see hundreds of people in various states of dress/undress. People in full piece suits, 2 piece, bikinis, shorts and t-shirt, etc.. and lots of times people are wearing swimwear that is just NOT appropriate. Yet how often does something like this happen? Rarely would be my guess, yet it happened. This isn't a 2+2=4 scenario here.

Also interesting, The whole of the information comes from the woman, her attorney, and the police department. Did no one think to question management at the water park, to find out exactly why she was asked to leave, what their policies are concerning appropriate attire in their park, as well as how to handle such instances as this.

Another also- i just realized, the photo of her in the water park with her white shirt, watching her son- that came from a local TV station's feed? I don't believe that. What would WFTV be doing there taping this woman while still in the park, presumably before the incident took place? Or was it just a photo? The link above brings you to the site where you can watch the clip, and it's not very explanatory.

and, CM makes some very good points as well about what it is we don't know.

CM makes some very good points as well about what it is we don't know.

No, they don't. You're over thinking it. This case is going to be settled, and quick.

If you knew anything about your rights, you would realize those charges are obviously bogus.

Andre,

perhaps if you read what both CM and I wrote, you'd understand the point. I'm feeling generous, so I'll quote us both:

CM Re 7.2

For example, there is only one photo of her in the park which is not a particularly inflammatory photo- but there's no indication of how much later (and wetter, and maybe exposed) she was when she was asked to leave. Also, there is nothing that explains WHY the police officer approached her after she was asked to leave. There is no link given that would make it because of what happened in the park. Was she maybe intoxicated? Or acting strangely? Or really exposing too much skin? In any event, something caused the police officer to approach her- and that something is not explained in the article. The arrest was for her lack of cooperation with the police officer NOT for exposure. Maybe the police officer overreacted, or maybe this woman was behaving erratically and brought it all on herself.

There's a *&%^-ton of conjecture, given the information provided, if you hadn't noticed that in the article seeded. Or, more simply put, many unknowns, which is what I was saying in my "CM makes some very good points as well about what it is we don't know" statement.

AJ Re 10

Also interesting, The whole of the information comes from the woman, her attorney, and the police department. Did no one think to question management at the water park, to find out exactly why she was asked to leave, what their policies are concerning appropriate attire in their park, as well as how to handle such instances as this.

The point I'm trying to make is, there are two sides to every coin. Take a gander at the change in your pocket, lest you forget that truism. Per this article, there is only one side of the story, and that's what you (and everyone else, really) is basing their judgement on. It does not make sense that a woman who is and was at all times fully clothed (albeit wet) was asked to leave the park due to indecency.

Here's another truism for you: If something doesn't make sense, chances are it isn't true.

Here's another truism for you: If something doesn't make sense, chances are it isn't true

Here's what you aren't understanding: it doesn't matter how she acted. Police procedure is just that; procedure. There are steps that must occur, one after the other, for someone to be arrested.

The woman was asked to leave, she was not banned. By the parks own admission she was asked to leave over the course of days, that in itself is evidence that she was not trespassing, that and the fact her family was allowed to stay.

She was not charged with any incidental crime. In order for you to be charged with obstruction there has to be a crime.

Understand: the police can't approach you out of the blue, make demands, and when you fail to comply, arrest you. That is a violation of your rights.

It doesn't matter if she was rude, loud, and obnoxious. Those are not crimes. There was no crime, and no complaintant.

Stop accepting unconstitutional acts. Learn the lessons of World War II.

I have always been surprised that the ones who so casually allow their fourth amendment rights to be violated are usually the same ones screaming about the second amendment.....

just an observation.....

James,

The article does not state why she was approached by police outside the water park, and therein lies part of the problem. If this woman was doing ask the park asked and leaving the premises without making a scene, there would have been no reason for law enforcement to get involved. And it is possible that this woman was wrongly arrested and charged, but the article seeded does not give enough information to accurately discern whether that was the case or not.

It doesn't matter if she was rude, loud, and obnoxious. Those are not crimes.

Being loud and obnoxious can be classified as disorderly conduct.

Conduct likely to lead to a disturbance of the public peace or that offends public decency. It has been held to include the use of obscene language in public, fighting in a public place, blocking public ways, and making threats. Statutes against disorderly conduct must identify the specific acts that constitute it. The offense usually carries minor penalties.

source

Main Entry: disorderly conduct
Function: noun
Date: 1786
: a petty offense chiefly against public order and decency that falls short of an indictable misdemeanor

as per Merriam-Webster online

You are correct, if she was minding her own business and police walked up to her to question her and ask for identification, absolutely. What I find difficult to ascertain, given the unknowns, is the "unreasonable" aspect which i assume you are referring to with respect to the fourth amendment.

Being loud and obnoxious can be classified as disorderly conduct.

You don't seem to understand the law, and that is unfortunate.

Rude, loud, and obnoxious are not listed in your citation. There are indeed circumstances where such behavior might be considered a disturbance, but an amusement park or alone in a parking lot are not those places.

Also, you must understand how trespass laws work.

And then you just have to look at the facts; no other charges were filed.

No matter how you slice it, this was a poor performance by the police. If that officer was protecting the park and its patrons, then there should have been additional charges filed.

No, you are over thinking this. As I stated before, if the circumstances warranted her arrest, different steps would have been taken. The fact that there isn't more information is itself evidence that this arrest was inappropriate.

Here's a story with a bit more detail. The police report is incriminating in itself.

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/mom-suing-after-wet-t-shirt-leads-to-arrest-at-fla-splash-park/19582458

Yeah, you are missing something. The woman is the only one who says she was asked to leave because her bra was showing. We don't know from the park's side of the story why the park wanted her out. Maybe it was much worse than that. You are also missing the fact that NO ONE has connected the police questioning the woman with anything that went on inside the park. We don't know WHY the police questioned her, but we are told that she refused to cooperate with police and was arrested for THAT crime, NOT for indecent exposure.

Since the police dropped the charges, they evidently had no valid reason to arrest this woman.

Florida has become a bizarro place. They should rename it God's waiting room. :P

No way in hell I'd ever move there.

Take it from someone who lives in a trailer: I would never dress as cluelessly or as classlessly as Mrs. Obama has done on many occasions. I even dress decently to go shop at Wal-mart. Trailer dwellers aren't all trash. I also own a site-built home that I bought many years ago. I moved to the country to get away from some trashy neighbors who live next door to my site-built home, and to find a better school for my daughter. Yes, I live in a trailer, but it's nicer than my old house, the neighborhood is quieter, and the school district is better. Although my trailer is on my own acre, there is a park about a quarter-mile up the road. There are many single-wide trailers in this park, and the people who live there are black, white, hispanic, etc., and there is never a minute's trouble in that park. The many kids who live there go to school and ride the bus with my daughter. We're all just regular people. No trash.

When the First Lady is travelling, she shouldn't wear cutoffs and a tank top- no matter how awesome her arms and shoulders look. She also shouldn't wear a sleeveless dress in January in Washington DC. Mrs. Obama is an attractive woman, but she does need to take a fashion class.

But yes, the arrest of the woman in this story was ridiculous- unless there's more to this story than is being reported.

You can reside in a trailor park or a trailor without being trash, case in point yourself Dani. This is just something the first lady herself cries with her lack of decorum, taste, and class.

I agree; like "president" Bush wearing jeans and cowboy boots all the time. How tasteless and classless!

Thanks, Dani. My daughter and her young family are living in a nice trailer park trying to get started and support themselves. I take offense to someone calling her trash. She's a very sweet, polite, and clean young woman. I hope my grankids don't splash her in a park. She would be embarrassed as this woman probably was.

Hey, I wear jeans and cowboy boots quite often. Don't profile me along with president Bush. My old half-breed grandfather wore them all of the time, too. He was too tasteful and classy to condemn somebody else for what they wore.

Yeah theres no difference between wearing a nice pair of jeans and boots with a decent shirt comparred to wearing cut offs and a tang top. Damn I bet you are STILL scratching your head bonos wondering why you and Liberals are such failures. Its ok if you don't get it...we do.

Dave: My half-breed grandfather wore them, too! So did his Cherokee grandfather and uncles! And his Cherokee mother wore a farm dress, apron and work boots! ;) But they wore their good overalls to church.

Wado, Dani.

He was the PRESIDENT and he wore jeans and cowboy boots. Sorry, that's tacky when you are the president.

Michelle wasn't elected president.

Well if its one thing we have definitely learned from you its always forgive the Obamas and blame the Bush's. You will have to forgive me if I give your fashion sense no credibility. I just basically consider it as accurate as your political sense. Must be horrible to see the fall of the great "Hope and Change" hype after putting so much faith and stock in something that never existed in the first place. Your candidate ran on the platform that you mimic so well "Its Bush's fault!" and has had as much success as you have had here (Means not an iota.) The only difference being is that here you are relatively harmless and the only damage done is to yourself. The damage Obama has done is to an entire country and may never be totally undone. But I do believe in the spirit and tenacity of the American people and we shall always do the best we can in the face of adversity.

"forgive the Obamas and blame the Bush's"

this whole rant has absolutely nothing to do with this article.

Wearing casual clothes isn't always tacky, Bonos. Every President has done it on occasion. I take my jeans off and wear dress slacks, a jacket, and spit-shined boots when appropriate.

Why punish the taxpayers for what a police officer may have done? He should be punished, if he did wrong, not the public.

but then she wouldnt get rich for it.....you know...the liberal way. become a victim and then retire.

peace.

but that makes sense to me

Why punish the taxpayers for what a police officer may have done? He should be punished, if he did wrong, not the public.

It is not simply one officer, it is the entire corrupt law enforcement system. This reminds me of the recent article I wrote about Police Brutality. The police think they are above the law. They are not; they are mere servants of the law like everyone else. Why do they get to arrest someone for no reason and get away with it?

but then she wouldnt get rich for it.....you know...the liberal way. become a victim and then retire.

Yes, she definitely went to the water park with the intention of being interrogated and arrested for no reason.

not saying she set out to do it...just that our society believes if you arrested unfairly you deserve to become rich for your inconvience.

pathetic.

but then she wouldnt get rich for it.....you know...the liberal way. become a victim and then retire.

You mean like Sarah Palin. She's a professional victim. Poor Sarah, everybody picks on her. She's turned it into a multimillion dollar business for herself.

It isn't just Liberals who play the victim card.

just that our society believes if you arrested unfairly you deserve to become rich for your inconvience.

Somebody has to pay. That woman was treated unfairly and she deserves compensation. For your information, If I won a settlement because I was treated badly by police, I would probably give most of it to victims' charities.

Hmm. I believe I wrote that he should be punished (if he did wrong). I stated the public should not be punished. The article is too weak for me to pass judgment on anyone involved. He's a citizen just like everyone else. Yes, there's a lot of corruption in all walks of life, but I've known more than a few fine police officers who have helped protect people I car about. I do not profile people that way.

"Somebody has to pay." What kind of reasoning is that. I've been mistreated by the police before. Should you have to pay me? For your information, I wouldn't sue the public for what a police officer did. I would go after the police officer.

I would go after the police officer.

The entire law enforcement establishment is the root of the problem. Justice against one bad officer is not good enough.

"The entire law enforcement establishment is the root of the problem."

I assume you believe there are no good officers. The criminals are the root of the problem. We wouldn't need police officers without them. The government has corruption also. Should we start by going after President Obama?

"Justice against one bad officer is not good enough."

No. We should go after all bad officers, but I can't go after all of them myself.

We should go after all bad officers, but I can't go after all of them myself.

Excactly why the best recourse is civil litigation, right? Or do you have a better way?

pay me, pay me, pay me....i am a victim!!!!!!! its infiltrated our very being and is in every aspect of our society...its sickening.

James Andre, did you read all of my statements? I hate bad cops as much as criminals. I proposed civil (criminal, if warranted) litigation on the guilty party(ies), but don't sue my cousins who live in Florida for what someone else did.

james-1416766, regarding post #17.13:

....i am a victim!!!!!!! its infiltrated our very being and is in every aspect of our society...its sickening.

What is sickening is the fact that an innocent woman who was behaving lawfully and leaving the park when she was asked to leave, was UN-justifiably arrested for no good reason; (otherwise the charges would not have been dropped.) American citizens have every right to sue when Government Agents abuse their police powers and violate their Constitutional rights.

The only thing that is sickening about this story is the sickening way the police treated this women, I hope they lose their jobs and that she wins her case in court.

and the police officer should pay...but I am sure she will get the correct amount for her inconvience.

she will probably be on forbes next list.

that is what is pathetic.

did you read all of my statements?

Yes. I just don't understand what the point is in regards to this situation. So I asked.

that is what is pathetic.

No, what is pathetic is that you overlook a serious offense against individual rights to criticize someone for an imaginary event.

Nobody likes the police on this vine? I respect them and the job they do. Clearly, there are bad officers (just like bad doctors, attorneys, teachers, beer distributors, etc, etc) and clearly even the good ones have times when they exercise bad judgment (like ALL of us), but in my experience, if you don't give them any reason to hassle you they don't, and when you need them, they are wonderful to have around. Why jump to believe this woman's ridiculous story? Didn't your mama ever tell you, if it sounds too good (or too ridiculous) to be true, it probably is?

but in my experience, if you don't give them any reason to hassle you

And I guess we're all supposed to live by your experience? You do realize that is exactly why we have a Constitution, so people like you don't get to determine how others get treated?

A woman was arrested and no charges filed, no crime committed, and you are here calling her ridiculous. Are you sure she is the ridiculous one? Forgive some of us for taking the founding principles of our country seriously.

No, you don't live by my experiences, nor do I live by your assumptions. You have assumed this woman did no wrong. I don't know that. I guess my family, friends, and I are all just pretty uptight, old fashioned law abiding citizens, because none of us have any stories about being hassled by the police. In my world, out of control police officers are NOT the norm. They are the exception. Unfortunately, I am far more likely to believe that this woman was out of control. I have seen far more ordinary citizens do stupid stuff in public than police officers. Can you really say otherwise?

Can you really say otherwise?

As a percentage? Absolutely. Seeing as you've overlooked the fact that this woman was not charged with any other crime besides contempt of cop, It is easy to understand how you would fail to see evidence contrary to your beliefs.

I see cops cross the line nearly every day. Usually it doesn't affect me, or the effect is so negligible that it is easily dismissed. Sometimes they even cross the line in my favor. But they do cross the line.

It is one thing to abuse authority. That happens. It is another to deprive someone of freedom through the abuse of authority. That is a line too far, and one of the most basic principles of our society.

I'm sorry you don't realize that.

what is wrong with this whole picture is that the police officer will most likely not be disciplined for this outrage because he is in line with 'policy'

and grandpa dave, good luck with taking it up with an individual police officer--if it gets outa hand who do you think is going to the crowbar motel

power goes to some cop's heads and they abuse it -- we just keep letting them get away with it and that's the @!$%#ing problem

Mtpromises, I was referring to taking it up in legal recourse. I have won before and the officer was disciplined appropriately. He did not perform a criminal act, so that is all that was warranted. People are attracted to law enforcement for two basic reasons: to protect people or to abuse people. We don't let them get away with it; our court system does. My only disagreement here is that the individual should pay for his mistake, not the public.

OK, grandpa, good for you! so how do you fix the court system? and I definitely agree that the ignorant individual who just happens to be a cop needs to pay, not the public!